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February 21, 2015 at 9:21 am #461767
leslie PiperParticipantWhat is your policy for covering the director’s costs on an international tour? We had assumed that we’d have over 20 singers traveling on our upcoming tour, meaning that we’d get the complimentary package for the director. We now have only 18 singers going, ands the board has suggested that I pay a portion of my tour costs. There doesn’t seem to be an understanding that this is NOT a vacation for me, and that I have spent two years proposing, setting up and organizing this tour – and although I understand that this is an opportunity to educate my board and the community, I am hoping to find a policy statement somewhere, or at least get a consensus of my colleagues to bring back to the board. Please tell me how you address this issue, which is quickly becoming prickly among my board members.February 22, 2015 at 7:22 am #461790
William R. AdamsParticipantHey Leslie – no wirtten policy in place for my 33 year old all treble boychoir program [I am also the founder], but from the very first year, my cost has been covered in full for touring, no matter whether we travel within the US or the nine times we have traveld abroad. We tour each year usually for two weeks.You are right to insist that this is not a vacation and it should be part of your ‘package’. I would suppose that most others answering this will tell you the same thing!My best,Bill AdamsThe Fort Bend Boys Choir of TexasFebruary 22, 2015 at 11:25 am #461795
John BriggsParticipantWilliam R. Adams is spot-on! You have spent how many hours arranging this tour? Who paid for those hours? You will spend how many more hours preparing for this trip? Who is paying for those hours? If you go on the trip, total those hours, subtract your school hours, and note the net-hours you will spend on this trip. Who will pay for those hours? Add on the responsibilities (plural) that you will assume during this trip. Who will pay you for that burden? Everyone knows that you want to do this for your students and that you are gladly donating your extra hours. They are assuming that you want this opportunity so much that you would succumb to having to pay your own fare. The cost of your fare does equal the pay you are surrendering by donating your time. It is the least that someone(s) can do for you. If that cannot be done, cancel the trip. I have a friend who is preparing to take his choir to Italy to sing at many places including a performance for the Pope. He has gone on many international trips with his choirs. His fare is always paid. If it were not so, he would have cancelled. I have not taken my choirs internationally, but I have taken my choirs to NYC on seventeen occasions to visit and perform at music sites. Several of these trips were overnight trips. One trip was for five days/four nights with a world premiere performance at Carnegie Hall. On no occasion did I pay my fare. If I had been required to pay my fare, the trips would have been cancelled and fares returned to the families. Schools are all so very willing to accept something which costs no money. “Everybody wants something for nothing.” I had one principal who strongly disagreed with my trip occurring during school hours. I invited him to attend the trip. He had funds which paid his way! He did attend the trip which commenced on a Friday morning and finished during the very early hours of Sunday morning (Saturday night). He was so pleased and excited that he made me promise that next year’s tour would be a three-day trip leaving on a Thursday morning!. The trip expanded his horizon of what I was attempting to accomplish just as it expanded the music horizons, in addition to other cultural horizons, of my students and of every parent. The proof? Count the number of all these students who remained our schools’ music programs (band, chorus, orchestra, dance, theatre) at the high school level and continued with music in their collegiate careers and those who have made music their personal career. The total of music careers stretches one’s imagination: over 60 of which I am aware. If your fare is not paid, cancel the trip and consider teaching elsewhere.February 22, 2015 at 5:10 pm #461808
Marti MartinezParticipantDo these board members have any idea of the time involved in putting together one of these tours? I’m offended for you. I travel with my high school choir every year. My choir boosters would never dream of asking me to pay. I would cancel the trip. With only 18 singers do you have a balanced choral sound?Marti MartinezMt. Carmel High SchoolSan Diego, CAFebruary 23, 2015 at 10:03 am #461846
Tori CookParticipantI’m sorry that you are going through this! If the board still isn’t helping you out, I would recommend seeing if the tour company can make an exception to still include you! It depends on the company, but sometimes, they might be able to find ways to make it work to keep you all happy. I work for Encore Tours during the day and when we have cases like this, I know we do everything in our power to find ways to include the director at no cost because we know how much work directors put into making the trip run and really, it’s all about keeping you and the board happy! It’s worth a shot anyway. Good luck! 🙂February 23, 2015 at 10:03 am #461847
Michael ShasbergerParticipantLeslie,I’m happy to add my voice to the chorus of replies that you will likely receive in support of your position. Your costs for the tour should be completely covered, including a per diem or specific reimbursement to cover those expenses not included in the tour package (typically one or more more meals a day and any additional costs like the ground transportation required for getting you to the airport). Depending on how you are compensated by this organization, there should also be a consideration of a stipend for the extra time you are giving to this tour beyond the normal commitment to your season, both in preparation for the tour and the time spent on the tour itself.Michael ShasbergerWestmont CollegeMarch 5, 2015 at 6:17 pm #462542
Simon LovelessParticipantI can’t point to a written policy, but any tour I’ve been on the director and accompanist are covered in full.
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