Mass in Latin post Vatican II
Colleagues:
Many thanks for your shared knowledge. Once again I'm impressed (and awed) with the the collective knowledge and experiences of those on choralnet. The pasting below represents quite a variety of responses that I'm slowly digesting. FYI the way we did it in the past. We used the ordinary in the Latin of the composed Mass with the propers in English. The Bishop of the diocese was the celebrant. Here is the first half of your postings. Thanks, Keith I remember the late 1960s well when the Bishops returned from Vatican II with the misconception that vernacular masses were commanded by the council. The council permitted masses in the vernacular, but these folk, bless their hearts, were so hung up on the old ways that "permitted" meant the same as "commanded" to them. One of the other reforms, the suggestion that congregational singing should be lead from the front of the church, led to a number of silly things happening during mass that defied any bit of common sense. You had cantors standing in front of the congregation, accompanied by an organ located in a balcony half a block a way, and they just couldn't figure out why they had such a hard time singing and playing together. As a result of this same recommendation, there were a number of cases where a perfectly good pipe organ was ripped from the balcony, taken to the local landfill and replaced with an electronic substitute in the chancel. Some Catholics are so accustomed to being given orders from above, that the idea of choices is at best scary to them. You have a few there it sounds like. You will need to bear with them, and try to explain things to them, (or better yet, try to get someone with more ecclesiastic authority such as the Bishop to explain it to them). In your favor is the fact that the Pope himself has recommended the use of Latin in the mass. Congratulations on your courage and foresight in singing (not performing) the great music of the Church in the Latin Mass! It is something that we of the New York Catholic Chorale have been doing for some seven years now. We do both "orchestral" Masses and polyphonic Mass settings in both the Novus Ordo and Tridentine Latin Masses. If your BISHOP is celebrating this Mass and your chaplain is behind it, I would just keep on doing what you're doing. There are a great many misconceptions and a still lively debate about the reforms of Vatican II and their implementation - particularly on the use of the Latin language. Are you acquainted with the work of Msgr. Richard Schuler of St. Agnes Church in St. Paul. MN? Although retired now as pastor emeritus, they still do between 25-30 orchestral Masses every year. Their website is: www.stagnes.net Here is an interesting link about them: http://www.adoremus.org/0603Chorale.html I hope this helps. You will find immense divergence of opinions on the "do's and don'ts" of liturgical music on both sides of Vatican II. More often than not, those who will recite the "jot and title" of rubrics and solemnly intone liturgical law denigrating traditional Latin worship will think nothing of tolerating a wheelbarrow full of liturgical abuses in their English liturgies. Go figure. Again, congratulations! Please contact us if we can be of any help. Youre most welcome to visit our own website: www.nycchorale.org The 2005 schedule isn't up yet but you can view our performance history and find out about the choir. Sacrosanctum Concilium, the Constitution on the Sacred Liturgy (1963) states "the use of the Latin language is to be preserved in the Latin rites" but allows the vernacular to be used in some cases. http://www.theuniversityconcourse.com/V,4,12-3-1999/Ziegler.htm http://www.adoremus.org/SacrosanctumConcilium.html Related links: http://www.franciscan-archive.org/apologetica/vatican2.html http://www.latin-mass-society.org/sanct.htm Keith, in order to add another Tridentine rite Mass to your schedule, your best bet is to call the chancery and ask for permission. This is standard practice worldwide. If your bishop grants permission, the priest on campus cannot complain. If the bishop says, "no," then your students can't complain. In either scenario, the decision is not yours to make, but belongs to your diocesan ordinary. Dear Keith, my name is Pietro Alviti, I'm public relation man for Concentus Musicus fabraternus Josquin Des Pres of Ceccano - Italy. Usually our choir is requested here in Italy to sing in a mass who is celebrated in latin, without problem. Several times we sang in Vatican, in Pope's celebration, completely in latin. When we are in tour in foreign countries and we must sing in a mass, we sing usually in latin, that is the universal language of Roman Catholic Church. What is the problem? It's not in the language but in the mass rite: if you celebrate in latin with the messal of Pope Paul VI, after the Vatican II, there is no problem. But there are a lot of traditionalists who contest the legitimate of that messal and want to celebrate according to the messal of Pio V, of 1570. In the Catholic Church to celebrate according this messal it needs to ask for a special permission by the local bishop I can only give the recent experience I had helping to organize a choir tour by Rochester Cathedral (UK) Choir to Rome. This is an Anglican Cathedral and they sang a total of 5 choral masses in various Roman Catholic churches around the city. The Mass setting they used was Vaughan Williams in G Min. It was so well received that Cardinal Law, who was present at one service, invited them to sing an additional mass in Santa Maria Majore - possibly the centre of the traditiona of reverence to the Virgin Mary. If they allow it in Rome - why not elsewhere. I applaud you! Not an authority on this matter, I do want to direct you to a web site for a parish in the Archdiocese of Detroit that regularly performs/celebrates orchestral and Latin masses. Please visit http://www.assumptiongrotto.com/orchestral_masses.htm On this page you will find a nice discussion about the use of orchestral music and Latin in the Latin Rite. You may want to consider contacting the pastor for more information. As a side note, our choir (Madonna University) had the privilege of singing the Saturday evening high mass at Notre Dame Cathedral this past summer. We sang all the ordinaries in Latin. We did not do a Gloria, but the one lead by the priest was sung in Latin while the rest of the (unsung) Mass was done in French. My understanding is that there really isn't a restriction on doing the Novus Ordo in Latin at anytime. I know I have come across more information on the web and elsewhere, but I just can't think of where at the moment. I think you will find that much of what has developed into "tradition" in the years following Vatican II is actually illicit and many well-intentioned priests were trained in seminaries that taught the "spirit of Vatican II" rather than was actually put into the documents themselves. I pray that you will be able to find the information you need Are you talking about doing a complete Tridentine Mass, with all prayers and music in Latin, or simply using a Latin setting of the Ordinary at a mass in the modern form? The complete Tridentine Mass is supposed to be used only with official permission from the local ordinary (bishop). There are several locations around the country where it is permitted. But the use of Latin musical settings at Mass has never been forbidden in fact, Latin still remains the official language. Since Vatican II vernacular settings have been allowed and encouraged, and in fact are normative in most places. But congregational and/or choral settings of the Greek Kyrie, or the Latin Gloria, Credo, Sanctus/Benedictus, and Agnus Dei need no special permission, although often individual clergy will forbid them. Similarly, Latin motets need no special permission nor, for that matter, do Spanish, French, German, etc. The issue of providing adequate means of participation for the congregation is a related one. The psalm, Gospel acclamation, Sanctus (Holy), are primary points of congregational participation. But even there, the key word is "normative." The principle that congregational participation in certain parts of the Mass is to be the norm does not rule out an occasional exception. But congregational involvement in every Mass should be maintained in some form. So the balance you indicate seems musically, liturgically, and "legalistically" appropriate. Some would say that the involvement of the congregation as only a "listener" in some of the Mass parts is not sufficient. Others would point to "informed and involved listening" as a legitimate form of participation. Most Catholics know the form of the Mass well enough to understand the meaning of the texts of the Ordinary parts of the Mass by their position in the Mass, regardless of the language in which they are sung. The occasional opportunity of experiencing beautiful music from the treasury of many centuries of church repertoire is an important, and largely neglected, function of our music ministries. We have allowed cultural illiteracy to become the norm in much of the Church, and the liturgical and spiritual experience of many congregations is impoverished because of it. Vatican II has been widely misinterpreted and misunderstood in many areas, not just in regard to liturgical music. It was not meant to impoverish or isolate, but to enrich and broaden. If you treat these opportunities in that context, rather than as performance opportunities, nothing should stand in your way except ignorance. Make it clear that you're going to include the congregation whenever possible - and that means essentially everything sung but the ordinary - and if translations are printed (tho they know the trans already), it's really like they're included even in the ordinary. Plus, if this is an extra service, it's just MORE CHURCH, and the priests should be happy, and get off their paranoid high horses - *snort* (sorry....) Really, if you talk nice to them, with the points above (not the horse bit), they oughta come around. But first, get some senior admin. clergy on your side. I served at the Cathedral of St. Jude in St. Petersburg Florida for two years before returning to my previous job up in Cleveland Ohio. Yes, I have experience with this. Unfortunately, I have found the clergy for the most part not up on what the church is calling us to. Hence, they will be a force to "convert." Cardinal Arinze in his Redemptoris Sacramentum and the new General Instruction of the Roman Missal have made it clear that chant is the music of the church and we must return to it. Furthermore, in my audition in the wonderful place of St. Petersburg (not really a wonderful position), one of my close friends was also applying for the job. We were both asked, we have several Spanish masses during the year, how would you accommodate that. I gave several examples of 15 and 16th century Spanish music that would be appropriate. My colleague replied with the correct answer: "Latin is the music of the church, so I would do everything in Latin." Unfortunately, I got the job... Dig your heals in and go for it. There is a resurgence of Latin in our church and good chant. Please keep me apprised of your success. Sounds as if you're dealing with a couple of unimaginative fundamentalists. Sorry I don't know much about the exact text of Vatican II, and I am not a Catholic. Nevertheless I have not in recent years found the Catholic Church to be absolutely inflexible in regard to its liturgy. Seems to me that the intent of Vatican II is that the norm is for the Mass to be celebrated in the vernacular. As an outsider, it is incomprehensible to me that an occasional deviation from this practice should be prohibited - especially in an academic setting where there ought to be some sense of, and concern for, history. The underlying concern, I think, is that the congregation understand what is being said and sung. If Mass is sung in English throughout the year, there should be no question of the congregation's knowing what the words are and what they mean when from time to time Latin is substituted. The other piece of it, of course, is the desire for congregational participation, which both for you and for us Protestants seems to have become somewhat of a fetish in recent years. I think we have come, albeit with good intention, to confuse doing something with participating. I doubt that liturgy was ever intended to prohibit variation, and it seems to me that occasional use of a different language encourages greater mental involvement and engagement with the text than the habitual rote singing of the same old same old week after week. Couple that with the evangelistic outreach noted by your chaplain, and the community-building of an annual event, and it appears that the arguments for St. Andrew's Day Latin far outweigh a slavish adherence to a perceived rule. You will, of course, want to check the actual wording of the Vatican II text, but my understanding is that they did NOT forbid the saying or singing of the Mass in Latin, just as Luther did not forbid it 400-some years earlier. They simply authorized the saying or singing in the vernacular, again just as Luther did. In Luther's case, he recommended retaining Latin in communities where that language was studied and spoken, as in university communities. In the case of Vatican II, I don't know exactly what they did say. But bottom line, you can certainly perform services with the texts sung in Latin, even if your priest speaks them in English. Although it's my understanding that the final decision in such a matter is up to the presiding Bishop. Keith A. Haan, PhD Chair, Department of Music Director of Choral Activities St. Ambrose University 518 W Locust St Davenport IA 52803-2829 563/333-6146 HaanKeithA(a)sau.edu Teaching is not a lost art, but the regard for it is a lost tradition. Jacques Barzun Here is the second half. Keith I'm Director of Music at St. Joseph, Detroit, where we have been doing Mass in Latin (novus ordo) every Sunday since 1971. Which is to say, we hardly stopped. During the season, every other Sunday, roughly, is choral, and the others are sung by the congregation. Four times a year, Christmas, Easter, the parish anniversary in mid-November end usually the first weekend in June (end of season) we do Mass with orchestra; usually November and June are strings only, with Christmas and Easter including at least trumpets and timpani in addition. Now to your problem: first, let's (unnecessarily, perhaps) get the Latin issue out of the way. The Constitution on the Sacred Liturgy firmly states that Latin is the liturgical language of the church. It then states that the vernacular may be permitted. The fact that this has led to general use of the vernacular, which may well not be what the drafters of that language had in mind, does nothing to change the obvious meaning of that language. I cannot imagine how any Latin Rite Catholic, clergy or lay, can object to Mass in the language which a general council, with Papal approval, has stated to be the liturgical language of the rite. (This, of course, is not the same as the reluctance of some priests to say a Mass in Latin, which can be a mercy when they were educated at seminaries that taught almost no Latin.) Then the key phrase is the famous "full, conscious, and active participation." This does not mean that people have to be speaking, singing and moving all the time and repeated statements from Rome make this point: "full, conscious, and active participation" is clearly present in silent attention. What priest would advocate physical activity and/or vocalization during his sermon? It's important to keep in mind that the constitution also demands that the church's treasury of sacred music be preserved. That means singing it, folks. I've heard liturgists say that this means that old Latin music should be performed in concert, not at Mass. That's specious on the face of it. Why would a general council insert a phrase concerning concerts into a document whose subject is liturgy and not even tell us in that document that they were, for the moment, not discussing liturgy and also not tell us that they were discussing concerts? Then, there's the issue of variability of liturgy. One of the chief thrusts of the council was to take the liturgy out of the straightjacket of Trent and permit legitimate variation. There are many people, and it sounds like you've got some, who want to put it back in a straightjacket of their own making, largely based on the false assumption that participation requires physical activity and that all liturgies must meet some unstated minimum standard for, especially, vocalization, spoken or sung. So here's the underlying principle on which we operate: one liturgy does not have to be and should not be like another. Having one service when congregational singing is less than usual does not constitute an affront to Vatican II even if a regular diet of liturgies with limited congregational singing would. Take our example: On usual choral Sundays, the choir sings the Introit (usually to psalm tone); a Kyrie or an Asperges/Vidi aquam; Gloria (in season); Responsorial psalm with congregational refrain); Gospel acclamation (again with congregational response); Credo III (with the congregation; ordinarily the choir does not sing a choral Credo); the Offertory Antiphon with psalm verse, or an Offertory motet; the Sanctus, Anamnesis (with the congregation), Great Amen (elaborated after the people's simpler Amen); Pater Noster (with congregation); Agnus Dei; and Communion Motet. Normally there is a closing hymn by all. In alternate weeks, the introit is sung by a cantor, the people sing the ordinary (but the Credo is recited); the psalm and acclamation for the readings are led by a cantor with people's responses; there is an offertory hymn (in Latin); the people sing the anamnesis and Great Amen; communion is organ music (except in Lent) and there is a closing hymn. So if the choral Sunday involves less congregational singing than some would find desirable, the alternate week is wholly congregational and quite "physically" active. That seems to us to create a fine balance, especially since it seems to us that proper and active attention to the music sung by the choir is of great value to the congregation in their worship. I am a founding member of the Society for Catholic Liturgy, which came to Detroit for its annual conference in 1997. The society chose to come to St. Joseph's for Sunday Mass. The celebrant was an auxiliary bishop, a classmate of the then-president of the society. He used the original high altar "ad orientem" (we do that for Latin every Sunday) and preached from the hourglass pulpit in the nave (church of 1873, unaltered). We sang and ordinary by the Mannheim-school composer Franz Xaver Richter with strings and oboes. Big opening hymn, our usual responses at the readings, choral offertory and communion music, big closing hymn. When I left the church I was greeted by the then-president of the Pontifical Liturgical Institute at Sant' Anselmo in Rome, who shook my hand and said, "That WAS Vatican II." Now, he's a somewhat conservative man, not by any means rigidly so, but still... this is the head of the premier liturgical school of the Roman Church. I had a local priest respond to that story by saying "Well, some are trying to change Vatican II." My reaction? Some never understood it in the first place. And if Rome chooses to make some adjustments according to its own understanding of that which was intended, well, we're still called the Roman Catholic Church. I find myself uncomfortable with Rome's liturgical decisions about as often as I find myself in accord with them, but this is one church, and we're all part of it. In short, some common sense is needed. It would, indeed, be wrong to set up a liturgical program in which Mass after Mass assigned the Sanctus to a choir or cantor. It would be wrong to take the Credo away from the people more than on rare occasions. But it would also be wrong not to preserve, through use, the musical hertiage of the church, and that most certainly includes Sanctus and Credo. And the performance within liturgy of fine music is a source of inspiration which might just be more effective than some sermons.... I thought that the "rule" was against continuation of the old Tridentine mass. Anyway . . . . whenever I am in New York on a weekend, I make an effort to attend the 11:00 a.m. mass at the Church of St. Ignatius Loyola on Park Avenue. They have a marvelous 12-voice fully professional chamber choir. They usually sing a Latin mass (sometimes polyphonic, sometimes in chant or organum) in the context of the rest of the mass being in English as usual. It's absolutely beautiful. They also sing Latin motets by Byrd, Tallis, Palestrina, etc. with texts that relate to the reading of the Sunday. I haven't seen the Vatican police there ;o) The Roman Catholic Church is the repository of the some of the greatest music every composed but, since Vatican II, we have been condemned to a purgatory of perpetual hootenanny. There! I feel better for having said that. Have a blessed Christmas and don't give up the battle for quality music in the church. A lot of this depends on which Latin Mass you are doing...The Tridentine Latin Mass common before the Second Vatican Council's Constitution on Sacred Liturgy in 1962 cannot be done without a bishop's permission...The revised Latin mass of 1967 can be done anytime, I believe....You will want to verify all of this. Unfortunately, I've been involved in some small battles to again have Latin sung during Mass. In my previous Diocese (Greensburg, PA), it was ruled by the bishop that any non-English, non-participatory Mass, must be sanctioned by the diocese. I find this to be quite appalling especially because I watched the Vatican Midnight Mass this year and heard the mass said in Latin and a non-participatory ordinary sung while other Vatican II elements were implemented (presider facing the congregation). I am certain that Vatican II in no way intended to eliminate Latin from the Church since Latin remains the official language and all official correspondence from Rome arrives in Latin. I think the premise is that the congregation should (I believe the language is) take an active part. That language is where interpretation enters. Isn't spoken prayer active participation or spiritual reflection participation? I would be much more inclined to worship every Sunday morning if Josquin or Palestrina invoked my spirit instead of Marty Haugen and David Haas. I have seen a book published that contains all of the music related documents of Vatican II. I do not own a copy but believe it is readily available. I am very interested in what you find because I intend to begin my own endeavors of this realm in the very near future. My hopefully brief thoughts as a 35 year RC choral/music director: *First understand what constitutes a valid Latin mass, versus what notions and nostalgias people express about "it." *There are two primary canonical options: the mass of Paul VI, the so-called Novus Ordo, that is celebrated in Latin/Greek virtually daily and weekly all over the world; and the Tridentine order which requires an episcopal indult for specific usage on a regular or eventual basis. (I firmly believe you already know these things, so forgive me for stating the obvious) *Recent documents addressing the musical aspects of the liturgies (from Pius X onward) clearly state that the chants and polyphony have never been dismissed as valid forms, and in fact are owed a "place of pride." *That said, the use of chant and polyphony must be reconciled to the mandate that congregants participate in all aspects of the liturgy in a "full, active and conscious" manner. (Ask two people what that means, get two answers! ;-0 *Should actual congregational sung participation be of utmost importance (as it should be) when preparing a mass, the church herself synthesized a Greek/Latin vernacular mass called "Jubilate Deo" which blends authentic Gregorian plainsong with the "de Angelis" mass. This mass setting is the most accessible to any congregation. *Recognize the "pecking order" of certain musical movements by consulting the General Instruction on the Roman Missal guidelines. For example, when the choir may sing certain litanies and even ordinary movements on behalf on the faithful (Agnus Dei versus Gloria in excelsis.etc.) It can get dicey making these decisions. But if one chooses to use the Jubilate Deo mass, it might be best to see that through completely, rather than to graft in the Byrd Sanctus from Mass for Four/Five voices just 'cause the choir does it really well. *Purists/Traditionalists would cry from the rooftops that the propers of the day be realized: the Introit, the Gradual (instead of the Psalm Responsorial) and the Communion antiphon, etc. However, history reveals time and time again that there were repeated efforts to integrate congregational participation into sung worship from the Counter Reformation, to the 16th century villancicos of the New World, from colonial ethnic churches in North America and well into the famous American 20th century hymnals (Piux X, Basil, Gregory etc.) Therefore, one can reasonably integrate strophic Latin hymnody easily into the mix with chant and polyphony as long as attention is paid to the feast day etc. Lastly, the only thing that troubles me when people express their desire to implement a "Latin mass" is their motivation. If they bolster their reasons with arguments that the vernacular mass (English, Spanish, Hindi!) has de-mystified and demeaned the sanctity of the mass, that is a reflection on poorly prepared and executed ritual practice on the part of celebrants, other ministers and musicians. Such "feelings" also betray a longing for liturgy within a "museum" mentality. This doesn't mean that Palestrina is dead and buried, it means that placing an art object in an otherwise utilitarian, perfunctory environment won't guarantee the efficacy of "living, breathing" worship. I conducted a men's choir at a Catholic Church in upstate NY. As boy choristers, they had learned about 12 Latin setting which are still being performed today eventho the Tridentine Mass is long out of favor (but not dead) at least in this diocese. St Mary's was one of the regional churches in which festive masses were celebrated by the bishop which lent de facto if not de jure approval by the diocese. About twenty years ago a CD was published which feature Herbert von Karajan and the Berlin Philharmonic perform a Mozart Mass for the very first time a St. Peter's, the Pope was the celebrant. The Ordinary was of course the Mozart and the Propers were in several different languages including Latin but it was not a Tridentine High Mass. The message I took from this: Latin Mass settings are fine but spoken sections of the propers and ordinary should be in the language spoken by the majority of the parishioners. This is a special, festive liturgical event, not a concert event and thus, there should be certain allowances made and the diocesan music director should be able to shed light on this. My rather jaundiced view on the whole Catholic Music thing is that the what the Council of Trent did not do to Catholic music, Vatican II completed and the joke of the nun with a guitar is an indictment. Since Vatican II many have made the claim that the Latin Mass did not do much for the participation of the people, but I remain unpersuaded. Every so often I go to eastern Oklahoma, to the Monastery of our Lady of the Annunciation of Clear Creek, (www.clearcreekmonks.org ) which is a foundation of the Abbey of Fontgombeault in France, and where they sing the mass and the office hours in Latin every day. My Latin is strictly "church Latin", but I read the missal so I know what is going on, and then I participate fully in the mass by praying and listening. I think my participation in those Latin Tridentine masses is as full, complete, and authentic as it is when I attend or participate in mass in English, my native tongue (in its Oklahoma incarnation, of course). For me, while I love my vocation, it is a blessing on occasion to go to mass and not be responsible for the full music program. If I understand you correctly, nobody is proposing that all masses be done at your univerrsity in Latin with full orchestra. So my response would be that just because most of our liturgical worship is now in the vernacular, that does NOT mean that there isn't a place for Latin, including the form of mass with orchestra and choral ensemble. I wouldn't recommend it for every Sunday, but one or two times a year, or even monthly would be fine by me. After Vatican II, a certain prejudice against Latin developed, and this is maintained by people who are still fighting ancient liturgical battles. There is no danger of a mandatory abandonment of the vernacular mass, although to hear some people talk even the use of a Latin response like the Agnus Dei means that abandonment of the vernacular is just around the corner! Perhaps you could suggest that those opposing this take a more nuanced view towards the Latin choral/orchestra mass, and embrace a bit of Christian charity (a virtue that all to often is lacking in liturgical debates like this). You could also point out the evangelization possibilities, as you noted in your original email, it can bring people to church who haven't been in a long time. There is a very long and honored tradition of contemplative prayer in the Catholic Church, and the Latin mass lends itself very well to such practices. Finally, a very ancient Catholic saying, often quoted by Dorothy Day who founded the Catholic Worker movement, is "the world will be saved by Beauty." So what you propose, as a work of liturgical beauty, has salvific value in and of itself, besides of course the fact that it is the holy sacrifice of the Mass. One caveat, never refer to a mass such as this as a "performance". I suppose in a way it is a performance, in the same way that any public presentation of music in a worship service is a performance, but using that term is likely to raise hackles and create unnecessary obstacles. The mass is always an act of worship, whatever its musical background may be. Keith A. Haan, PhD Chair, Department of Music Director of Choral Activities St. Ambrose University 518 W Locust St Davenport IA 52803-2829 563/333-6146 HaanKeithA(a)sau.edu Teaching is not a lost art, but the regard for it is a lost tradition. Jacques Barzun
on March 13, 2005 10:00pm
I have various pieces of my sacred choral music which might suit your choir including a new Missa Brevis (SATB unaccompanied) as well as an SSAA O sacrum convivium and a Panis angelicus high voice/s and organ or piano. The English periodical Organists
on September 11, 2005 10:00pm
First off, let me say how delighted I am to have found this site (thanks to a link on Recovering Choir Director's blog.) There is so much on these boards to read and digest. My particular area of interest.... well, really CONCERN is the (sometimes) dire state of Catholic liturgical music and Liturgy in general. I have been both horrified and encouraged to learn that the musical upheaval I observed as a child was not necessitated by any authoratative statement of the Church. Both of my parents were fine amateur church musicians, and many of their closest friends were professionls who dedicated thier lives to Catholic music, or did until they were told they were no longer wanted in the late '60s. I have a question, for anyone -- "One of the other reforms, the suggestion that congregational singing should be lead from the front of the church, led to a number of silly things happening during mass that defied any bit of common sense." Does this suggestion actually appear anywhere in anything "official?" I believe I have read that Gelineau advocated the use of an "animateur" to sing and gesture to exhort the faithful to sing, but never anything in any of the Vatican II documents that suggested any such notion. Thank you, and God bless.
on March 21, 2006 10:00pm
I am a former music associate (organ accompanist) at Westminster Cathedral, London, pre-Vatican II,with a previous Anglican background as in the cathedrals, having studied previously under the direction of Dr. Boris Ord, C.B.E. at King's College, Cambridge during my postgraduate year. Since my studies at Cambridge included "early music" I came to absorb the Gregorian Chant and polyphony tradition at Westminster Cathedral most willingly and have researched this music widely ever since, having included datafiles of currently available Latin Masses and Motets on a music distribution website (www.worldwidemusiconine.com) Also, on another site www.classicalmusicdirect.com, I have listed many hard-to find recordings, most of which are never available in stores or bookshops: many are of historical value. Although unfortunately unable to contribute to any Parish or University in USA through lack of opportunity, I welcome such opportunity to serve, so long as there is an understanding and appeciation of what the Vatican so rightly regards as the essence of traditional liturgical music: in the meantime, I hope my passion for music in a traditional worship setting will attract others for whom my continuing research will be a blessing - ad gloriam Dei. I can be contacted at musicprofessor2002@yahoo.com |
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We've been forced out of our normal parish by one priest, but have been making the rounds to other parishes and have made a semi-home in one.
Many don't realize how big of a fight this really is...
Cheers!
Adam