African-AmericanDear listers, Thanks you so much to all that responded to my query of precise definitions of the terms - gospel - spirituals - negro spirituals - white spirituals - african-american spirituals Well! My question seems to have been less trivial than I thought, as many of you answered by putting a lot of precautions such as "one man's opinion" or "there will be more authoritative answers"... Others wrote me that they were impatient to get the summary... or wanted to have a discussion beginning on Choraltalk (sorry for the latter, but if you have, as I do, to respond to 10-20 emails per day for the Musica International project and are doing this in addition to your real job, it is impossible to be a subscriber of Choraltalk). So here comes a tentative summary, result of a rainy sunday afternoon. Credits for this contribution are due to (1) Jonathan Miller (Chicago) SingWow(a)aol.com, (2) Peter Schleif (St Anthony, MN) pschleif(a)stanthony.k12.mn.us, (3) David Griggs-Janower (Albany) janower(a)csc.albany.edu, (4) Bob Griffith (Memphis) discnews(a)midsouth.rr.com, (5) Saundra Hall Hill (Los Angeles) DIVASAUN(a)aol.com, (6) Craig Hawkins craigchawkins(a)hotmail.com, (7) Timothy Olsen (NY) olsent(a)union.edu, (8) David W. McCormick (Richmond, VA) dmccorm(a)erols.com. As a preliminary : >The Harvard New Dictionary of Music has some good distinctions on this. Also check with the Grove American version. You are asking GREAT questions, and please do not be surprised if the answers are very fuzzy! (1) A) "Negro-spiritual", "african-american spiritual" =================================================and "spiritual" ==============are synonyms. Additional synonyms are "African-American folk song"(4), "afro-american spirituals" and "black spirituals". Although the answers all agree on these terms, I mention several of them here because they contain complementary historical or personal interesting features. About the synonymy: >I believe they were originally called Negro spirituals, and then when the word "negro" became unacceptable, these works were called African-American spirituals or, to avoid such an unwieldy name, just "spiritual" (3) >ALL THE SAME THING (really!). Many people shun the term "Negro", as it comes from an era in which American black people were still considered sub-human and/or second- class citizens. In its place the term "African American" became more accepted, as it more accurately focused on the geographic origin (Africa) rather than on color (Negro=black)--incidently, "black" encompasses all black people, not just African Americans). Its interesting to note that the black race has been the only group anthropologists labeled by color, "Negro"--all other groups have been referred to by geographic origin (5) >It's part of the angst of how to speak of persons of African heritage in the U.S. The most recent - and therefore the "most acceptable" term seems to be African-American, which will have to serve until the next "politically correct" term comes along! (8) I must add here that these terms are only known in the non-english speaking countries as "negro-spirituals", without any "political background" (for those who want to print programs for touring in Europe, for instance). Definitions of these terms: >They are usually considered to be songs which arose out of slavery, and are direct descendents of African folk music. Characteristics include limited texts - often many stanzas where only a few words are different from other stanzas -, therefore much repetition; more often than not with a refrain, stemming from the African call-and-response. Texts are often derived from Old Testament stories, and we are coming to realize that many of them were secret "signal songs," telling the slaves when the next escape attempt was planned.(8) >SPIRITUAL (pre-1900)- Sacred slave (folk) song, conceived during the years of the slave era in America (late 1600's through 1860's), and passed on by oral tradition. These songs were often called "sorrow songs" because many of them express the lamentations of Africans kidnapped from their motherland and brought to America to a horrible life of slavery. With every aspect of their culture stripped from them, the Africans adapted their new "language" and religion into what would eventually be called the spiritual. Not until the Fisk Jubilee Singers toured the U.S. and Europe in the late 1800's, singing these songs, were they ever written down or arranged. Many blacks had regarded them as songs from a time they wished to forget, but the world was hungry to hear them. Since then, they have been published, recorded and performed as standard repertoire for many choral organizations. (5) >You should check out Eileen Southern's "Music of Black Americans" (3rd ed., W.W. Norton, NYC, 1997). On p. 180: "It is not known precisely when the term spiritual was first used in print to apply to the religious folksongs of the black American. Obviously, the term points back to the three species of sacred song early set up in the history of Protestantism--psalms, hymns, and spirituals--which, in turn, points to the Scriptures, Col. 3:16...." Basically, a spiritual is a rural religious folksong of anonymous origin, often with some kind of biblical reference. Songs that have been arranged for choirs are sometimes called "concert spirituals". The Fisk Jubilee Singers were the first to popularize the concept of performing spirituals in a concert--as opposed to a private--setting. (7) B) White-spiritual: =================Here the definitions become more unprecise and are even diverging for their origin; moreover I see some mixture with the definition of "white gospel" (see below). So I am still unclear about this term, and examples may be necessary to understand better: >"White spiritual" is sometimes used to refer to sacred pieces from the white church tradition, sometimes called hymns, though they aren't the same as what we think of as hymns. I suspect they are old songs, like folk songs, but sacred. Lots of what I call white spirituals are old appalachian sacred works, or all that stuff that Shaw-Parker arranged.(3) >White spirituals generally connote religious folk songs from the southern part of the United States. They are usually modal, frequently pentatonic, and sometimes have traceable roots in the British Isles.(8) >WHITE SPIRITUAL - Although I have very limited knowledge in this area, it was always my understanding that this was a composed hymn tune sung in white rural churches and religious camp or "tent" meetings widely held in the 1800's. Some people feel that since whites were not slaves, there is really no such thing as a white spiritual. (5) >I've never encountered the term "white spiritual" but there certainly is "white gospel"--it's gospel sung by white people... (7) C) Gospel: ========>**There is no short definition for gospel music, no more than there is a short definition for classical music. For greater detail, read The Gospel Sound written by Tony Heilbut. It's a great comprehensive text on gospel music.(5) After reading the messages, there seems actually to be 2 kinds of gospels: "white" and "black". They are late 19th or 20th century compositions whereas spirituals come from slavery period (except of course the choral arrangements that are a 20th century evolution): >a stylistic word, usually associate with a piece for choir, soloist, and often piano (2) >GOSPEL (1900-present). Composed, sacred songs whose style developed in the early 1900's. At first, many black churches of the time considered it "the devil's music" because it employed elements of secular music forms such as the blues, early jazz, and other popular idioms of the time. Gospel music also contains many elements of the Spiritual: sacred text, syncopation, call and response. By the 1920's, its popularity had grown, especially after Thomas A. Dorsey, an ex-jazz musician turned church musician and composer, revolutionized its development, and turned it into a marketable commodity by publishing and recording it. Gospel music developed through each decade into many genres (20s-30s focused on the solo gospel singer; 40's focused on male quartets; late 40's and 50's focused on male and female trios/quartets and radio choirs; 60's and 70's on mass choirs; the 80's and 90's have brought just about every possibility with the incorporation of new secular styles (rock, country/ western, hip-hop, rap, new age, etc.) (5) >The understanding of Gospel is not as clear. There are white gospel songs, again almost always with refrains, simple harmonies and repetitious rhythms, which arose out of the 19th century evangelistic meetings (often called campmeetings, because they were held in a large tent or other rustic enclosure in a camp ground.) Black gospel - which is probably what most people think of when they hear the term "gospel" - has many of the same characteristics, in some cases having arisen from the same source, but it is also heavily influenced by the "blues." Whether the blues originated in a sacred or very secular setting may be argued, but there certainly has been a lot of cross-fertilization. Today's black gospel usually has a very heavy beat, a driving piano style bass, repetition ad infinitum, and a lot of opportunity for soloistic improvisational singing. There are many "gospel style" pieces being composed today, whereas the spirituals seem to be a fairly stable body of material upon which new arrangements continue to be based.(8) >Gospel hymnody is an urban development of the late 19th and 20th centuries, employing piano and other vernacular instruments in tent-meetings, pentecostal services, and actual concerts. Gospel's greatest early exponents are the Rev. Charles Tindley, Lucie Campbell, and the famous Thomas Dorsey (the first to use the term "gospel song"). As gospel has progressed during the 20th century, it has incorporated all the features and traditions of contemporary pop styles--electric guitars, synthesizers, heavy syncopation, etc. (7) Thank you again for all these very interesting answers. We will now be able to clean out somehow this area in Musica and be able to take in (virtual) hands the numerous people who are confusing all terms. However, I am still not clear myself on "white spiritual"... Sound examples should be of help. Any URLs? Best regards, Jean *********************************************************** * Jean Sturm * * Musica International - Université de Strasbourg (France)* * - Centre d'Art polyphonique d'Alsace - A Coeur Joie. * * e-mail: sturm(a)ics.u-strasbg.fr * * tel. office:(+33) 388 41 40 39 FAX: (+33) 388 61 12 72 * *********************************************************** * MUSICA International database : * * Maison du Renard Prêchant, 7 rue des Balayeurs, * * F-67000 Strasbourg. http://musica.u-strasbg.fr * *************************************************** * - Centre d'Art Polyphonique d'Alsace: * * http://musica.u-strasbg.fr/capa * * - A Coeur Joie France: * * http://musica.u-strasbg.fr/acj/france * * - Ensemble Vocal ALLEGRO de Strasbourg: * * http://musica.u-strasbg.fr/allegro * ********************************************* Date: Sun, 17 Apr 1994 14:56:53 -0600 From: Roger Doyle Subject: Re: Dawson Apparently SOON-AH WILL BE DONE is a Dawson original composition. My source, and one eveyone should have on the shelf, is...... BLACK AMERICAN MUSIC: Past and Present (Second Edition-1992) by Hildred Roach Pub: Krieger Publishing Company Box 9542, Malabar, FL 32902-9542 You'll learn that Dawson was a very learned composer whose "Negro Folk Symphony" in three movements was widely praised when completed in the early 1930's. It was presented early on by The Phildelphia Orchestra conducted by Leopold Stowkowski but I also know that in more recent years Robert Shaw performed it several times with The Atlanta Symphony Orchestra. Roger O. Doyle University of Portland On Fri, 15 Apr 1994, Chris Ryder wrote: > My choir is working on "Soon-Ah Will Be Done" by William > Dawson. Does anyone know the origin of this piece? Is it an > arrangement of a spiritual, or did Dawson make it up? Just > curious. > Date: Tue, 23 Aug 1994 13:01:27 -0600 From: Nina Gilbert Subject: Drinkin' Gourd Follow-up Last week I posted a question about codes in Spiritual texts. I had read that "Follow the Drinkin' Gourd" was a secret "map song," suggesting that people could "follow" the Big Dipper as they headed northward, and I wondered if other Choralist subscribers knew further examples. I received a few replies - some general ideas, some specific song connections, and some suggestions of books - and a request to report back to Choralist. Here's what I've learned: I. General: Michael Shasberger (Butler University) made the general suggestion that texts about journeys and such can be imaginatively traced to the immediate idea of escape. Also, I've seen suggestions that the "Jordan River" and "heaven" were direct allegorical references to the Ohio River and Canada. References to trains and chariots can also mean the Underground Railroad, of course, although I don't know about more specific details. II. Specific songs: Mallorie Chernin (Amherst) and Joshua Golbert (Music Teacher, Woodward Parkway Elementary School, Franklin Square NY) both mentioned Jeanette Winter's book "Follow the Drinking Gourd" (Dragonfly Books/Alfred Knopf). Joshua quotes the book: "The drinking gourd is the Big Dipper, which points to the North Star. 'When the sun comes back and the first quail calls' meant spring, when travel might be least hazardous. As the runaway slaves followed up north, they would come across marks Peg Leg Joe had made in the mud...and they would know they were on the right trail. The river that 'ends between two hills' was the Tombigbee River. The second was the Tennessee River and the 'great big river' was the Ohio River, where Peg Leg Joe would be waiting to ferry them to the free states". Joshua adds, According to Winter, Peg Leg Joe was a white man who helped the slaves escape (left foot, peg foot, traveling on). And Mallorie comments, "Drinkin' gourd" we sing every Passover (freedom and all that). Joan Sampson (The State Literacy Resource Center, Central Michigan University) adds a possibility about another song: I don't know if it is proven, but I have heard that "Michael Row the Boat Ashore" is a specific reference to the New England Abolitionist Movement of returning slaves to Africa (Liberia) in the mid-1800's. The reference to "Sister" is the woman (I've forgotten her name) who was active in the movement. I have also heard that many of the references to dying and going to heaven are also code for freedom or the North. Cliff Ganus recalls: We sang, a number of years ago, George Lynn's arrangement of "Little black train," the refrain of which says, "Set your house in order, for the train's gonna be here tonight." The verses refer to the 15-year extension on life given to Hezekiah, and the arrival of the train ostensibly represents death (in case any of the slaveowners were listening). III. Books and Resources Joan Sampson continues: Ollie Davis from the University of Ill. would be an excellent resource for such information. Frank Albinder (Assistant Director, Chanticleer) had heard of one reference, and says: today, when I was in a used book store, [bought] "The Gospel Sound - Good News and Bad Times" by Anthony Heilbut. Frank comments: Steal Away is about getting on the underground railroad. And Vance Wolverton (Cal State Fullerton) suggests: "Negro Spirituals/from Bible to Folksong," by Christa K. Dixon, published in 1976 by Fortress Press of Philadelphia is quite helpful with regard to allegories/imagery in this literature. ISBN 0-8006-1221-3. Thanks to all the above for contributions (hope my quote-assembly does you justice!). I'm still interested in this topic, and would be glad to learn more. Regards, Nina Gilbert . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Nina Gilbert, Wabash College, Crawfordsville IN 47933 (USA) gilbertn(a)wabash.edu phone/FAX 317-364-4299 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Date: Tue, 28 Mar 1995 10:56:49 -0800 (PST) From: Roger Doyle Subject: Re: Afro-American Music There are, no doubt, other sources but you ought to begin with both of the following. Indeed, you ought to add them to your own bookshelf. Southern, Eileen. THE MUSIC OF BLACK AMERICANS: A History. New York: W.W.Norton & Company. 1971/1983. ISBN: 0-393-95279-7 Roach, Hildred. BLACK AMERICAN MUSIC: Past and Present. Melbourne, FL: Krieger Publishing Co. 1992. ISBN: 0-89464-580-3 When the books were written, Ms. Southern was affiliated with Harvard University and Ms. Roach with the University of the District of Columbia. Roger O. Doyle University of Portland, OR Date: Sun, 23 Apr 1995 23:34:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Esther Mix Subject: Re: Deep River Sorry to be so long. The book is Negro Slave Songs in the United States by M. M. Fisher (Russell & Russell 1968), literaly the first book I picked up in the library but also the only one that lists Deep River in the index. " In a song called Deep River that originated in Guilford county, NC where it was the name of both a body of water and of a meeting house of quakers, a conservative slave told his quaker benefactor that he wanted to `cross over' to africa, the home of camp meetings." (p41) [the reference given is a ms. at Guilford College] " [a letter] published in the report of the American Colonisation Society...asked...`Do you not know that the land where you are is not your own? Your fathers were carried into that to increase strangers' traesure, but god has turned it all to good, that you may bring the gospel into your country.' He added that negro ministers were not doing the will of god by remaining in the US." (p43) " Proslavery people tryed their hands at making `spirituals'...Strangly enough, this song called the atlantic an `ocean'. Previously , that body of water had been likened to the red sea... the Jordan...but it was never an `ocean'." (p63) Not exactly watertight reasoning but plausible enough. Of course it would be nice to see the source material or at least more extensive quotes, particularly from the ms. above, titled "minutes of the manumission society of Northern Carolina". Anyone out there near Guilford? I have a bit of general reading to catch up on. In the archives books by Southern, Roach, and Dixon were recomended- are Epstein (Sinful tunes & Spirituals) and Ricks (SOcial Implications...) valuable also? The series title `Studies in 18th cent. Afro-american Music' on LaBrew's "Black Musicians..."(1977) is intriguing as well- were there ever other publications? Richard Mix- emix(a)netcom.com 77 Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 10:44:59 -0700 (PDT) From: David Monk Subject: spirituals summary Hi choralisters, Here is the summary of info I received about spirituals. Thanks to everyone for their helpful posts. Li-Wen Monk _______________________________________________________ FROM: Allen H Simon of Bay Area Lutheran Chorale Spirituals were monophonic songs created by Negro (as they were called at the time) slaves. Properly speaking, spirituals were only composed during the period of American slavery; that's why many spirituals refer to Jewish enslavement in Egypt; some have coded references to emancipation (crossing the river, last train's a-comin', etc.) When we perform a choral arrangement, we're singing a piece of art music based on a spiritual theme. This is similar to performing a symphony based on a folk tune; it's still a symphony, not a folk song. You're singing a choral work, not really a spiritual. There are really no performance practice considerations in the usual way, because spirituals weren't intended for public performance; to be authentic, you should sing them in unison while picking cotton. This is not to say there aren't some audience expectations about spirituals, based in part on stereotypes about black singers. It's up to you how to address those. FROM: Roger O. Doyle, University of Portland OR Three books you ought to have on your shelf on this subject. Johnson, James Weldon & J. Rosamond. AMERICAN NEGRO SPIRITUALS. New York, NY: DaCapo Press 1989. Southern, Eileen. MUSIC OF BLACK AMERICAN, THE. New York, NY: W.W. Norton & Co., 1983. Roach, Hildred. BLACK AMERICAN MUSIC: PAST AND PRESENT Malabar, FL: Krieger Pub. Co., 1992. Perhaps the most impressive discussion was contained in a PBS program of about five years ago ("The Songs Are Free") wherein Bernice Johnson Reagan, a curator at the Smithsonian Institution is interviewed by Bill Moyer. Ms. Reagan is a wonderful scholar but also the founder of the female ensemble called Sweet Honey in the Rock. Get some of the group's recordings and you'll also learn about the music. Unfortunately, I'm afraid that the PBS program may no longer be available for sale but try your best to find a "pirated" video of the program. You'll learn more about the music than you can find time to put in effect. If you can get a copy of the video, you'll probably want to show it to your singers. It is rich in wisdom and history. FROM: John Crever of Westminster Choir COllege, Princeton, NJ One of the formost and intetesting persons to talk to about Af.Am. Spirituals in America today os Bernice Johnson-Reagan, the founder and leader of Sweet Honey and the Rock. You can write to her at the Smithsonian Instute in Wash. DC. but a reply will take a year, literally, she's really busy. She has written on the issue quite a bit, but even better are the few video clips of her. Check out: Music Educator's National Conference (MENC) videos on: Performing the musics of the AMericas, 4 videos, one is a 40 minute talk given by Bernice J-R. The best of all though is her interview with Bill Moyers called: The Songs Are Free. The only other that I can think of is of course Alice Parker, she deals more with hymns and American Folkmusic in general, but from experience I know that she has a lot to say. Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 10:02:52 -0500 From: DIVASAUN(a)aol.com Subject: Re: steal away background This is in response to the question regarding the African American spiritual, Steal Away, the text of which is: stay here. My Lord calls me, he calls me by the thunder; the trumpet sounds within-a my soul. I ain't got long to stay here.> Although this song is sacred in nature, it can also be described as a dual-message spiritual (or signal song). On one level, it's heard as evidence of the slaves' resignation to be content by meditating and praying (stealing away) to Jesus, who would pacify them through their hard times. Also, on the surface, it expresses a realization that some slaves felt: there could be no earthly reward to justify their horrible plight, and that they hoped their prayers would hasten them to Heavenly peace. On the other hand, slaves who were discontent with their misery, and intent on doing something "earthly" about, used songs such as Steal Away to transmit "coded" messages to one another: "steal" (run away), "to Jesus (the North U.S. or Canada, or some passage via the Underground Railroad or other venue that would eventually get the runaway to the North); "thunder" and "trumpet" -- some predesignated physical symbol such as the ringing of a bell, a field holler, calling the hogs, or whatever could be used in the midst of the unsuspecting slavemasters or overseers. Saundra Hall Hill divasaun(a)aol.com Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 21:56:24 -0500 From: Philip Kern Subject: Spirituals - Compilation Dear Choralisters: Many, many thanks to all those who responded to my letter asking for favorite spirituals. I was looking for works of moderate difficulty, accompanied or not. I hope this list will be as useful to all of you as it has been to me. Please enjoy. Philip Kern Assistant Professor of Music Marian College 3200 Cold Springs Road Indianapolis IN 46222 317.955.6108 pkern(a)marian.edu ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ BEGIN COMPILATION ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I'm a bit behind on digests, and you've probably had oodles of responses, but here I am anyway. Here's a list of spirituals my choir has done in the past few years. We're not pros at sight reading, so most of them are what you'd call "moderately" difficult. A few are a bit harder, and I've marked them with a star*. My singers - and our audiences as well - have enjoyed all of them! Bonnie Woolley Director and founder of Voices Choeur International, Paris, France BWoolley(a)compuserve.com _______ Ain't Got Time to Die Hall Johnson MCMLV; Schirmer octavo 10301 Ain't-a That Good News William Dawson, arr. 1937 All My Trials Norman Luboff, arr. 1972, Walton Music Corporation Couldn't Hear Nobody Pray Hall Johnson, arr. Daniel, Daniel, Servant of the Lord Undine S. Moore, arr. MCMLIII, M. Witmark & Sons ; ref: 21069-9 Deep River Roy Ringwald, arr. MCMXLVIII (renewed MCMLXXVI), Shawnee Press, Waring Choral Series Didn't My Lord Deliver Daniel William Henry Smith, arr. 1938, Neil A. Kjos Music Co.; ref: 1014 Dis Ol' Hammer Jester Hairston 1957, Bourne Co., NY; ref: 2784-8 Down By the Riverside Kirby Shaw, arr. Kirby Shaw Music - Hal Leonard 08666112 Elijah Rock arr. Jester Hairston Bourne Co. New York; B203737-357 Every Time I Feel the Spirit arr. William Dawson Music Press - Tuskegee Institute, AL; No. T117 Ezekiel Saw de Wheel William L. Dawson, arr. 1942 (ren. 1969), Neil A. Kjos Music, Park Ridge, IL, 60068; ref: T110 Glory, Glory H. Slattenhaar, arr. Alkema's Muziekhandel - N° 423; tel: 050-20513 Great God A'mighty Jester Hairston 1959, Bourne Co, NY; ref: 050476 Hear the Lambs a-Cryin' Robert DeCormier, arr. 1989, Okemo Music, Lawson-Gould ; ref: 52526 Hold On! Eugene Thamon Simpson, arr. 1974, Murbo Music Publishing, NY; ref: B223610-358 Hush, Somebody's Callin' My Name Brazeal W. Dennard, arr. MCMLXXXVI, Shawnee Press; ref: A-1802; Delaware Water Gap, Pennsylvania 18327; I'm Goin' to Sing Alice Parker, Robert Shaw, arr. MCMLXIII, Lawson-Gould; ref: 51101 In That Great Gettin' Up Mornin' Fenno Heath, arr. 1983, G. Schirmer; Octavo N° 12493 * Joshua Fit the Battle of Jericho Edwin Fissinger, arr. 411-10014; Jenson Publications Keep Your Lamps! André Thomas, arr. HMC-577; Hinshaw Music; 1982 Kum Bah Yah Hart Morris, arr. Let Me Fly Robert DeCormier, arr. 1984, Lawson-Gould ; ref: 52311 Live-a Humble Jester Hairston, arr. 077796; Bourne Co., NY Ride the Chariot Patsy Simms, arr. Coronet Press; Theodore Presser Company, Bryn Mawr, Penn. 19010; 1989 Sometimes I Feel Like a Motherless Child Jester Hairston, arr. copyright 1952; Bourne Co., New York, NY * Steal Away William L. Dawson, arr. 1942 (ren. 1970), Kjos Music, IL; ref: T108 There Is a Balm in Gilead arr. William Dawson Music Press, Tuskegee Institute, AL;Neil A. Kjos;No. T 105 Turn Around arr. Maurice Gardner Staff Music Publishing Co.; No. 559 Were You There? James Parks, arr. Hal Leonard Sacred Choral Series; 1986 Who'll Be A Witness For My Lord Jester Hairston, arr. Bourne Co., NY ************************************************* I don't know if this would count as a spiritual or not but it sure was fun to sing! "Walk Him Up the Stairs" from the musical "Purlie" is in a SATB arrangement by "Bugs" Bower, published by Mourbar Music Corp. Susan Clark WCS-001(a)CHATTANOOGA.NET ***************************************************** You might be interested in my Swing Low, Sweet Chariot, published by Boosey and Hawkes (OCTB6739). Best wishes in your search. David L. Brunner Director of Choral Activities University of Central Florida President, Florida ACDA brunner(a)pegasus.cc.ucf.edu ****************************************************** BEEN DOWN INTO THE SEA by Wayland Rogers Boosey and Hawkes STEAL AWAY by Wayland Rogers contact *************************************** Try two arrangements by Mark Hayes (who is, incidentally, my favorite arranger). They are 'Go Down Moses' publ.Hinshaw (with a brilliant piano part) and a simple but very effective arrangement of 'All My Trials' publ. Alfred. I know that it's not technically a spiritual, but it is good to sing and beautifully written. Best Stuart McIntosh Director of Choirs John Burroughs School St Louis, Mo smcint(a)jbworld.jburroughs.org ******************************************************** These are my favorites, used now with an adult church choir, but which I have heard college choirs do as well as the Robert Shaw Chorale. These are all a cappella. "Stayed on Jesus," Arr. Alice Parker. G.I.A. Publications, Inc. #G-4230 "Soon Ah Will Be Done," William Dawson. Neil A. Kjos Music Co. #T 102-A "Ride On, King Jesus," Robert Shaw/Alice Parker, G. Shirmer, Inc. #51106 Others in the Shaw/Parker series that are quite good. "I Got a Key," # 51105 "My God is a Rock," #51107 "My Soul's Been Anchored," #51111 "Sometimes I Feel," #51112 "Same Train," #51113 Ron Hernandez RRH77(a)aol.com ************************************************* If I may blow my own horn a bit, I have a setting of "Follow the Drinking Gourd" with a small publisher in Wisconsin (Pentref Publications 608-356-1732) that I think really sets the mood of the piece better than the other settings of this tune that I have seen. The choir must be able to count 8ths, but other than that it isn't terribly difficult. There is an optional accompaniment, although it was originally written for unaccompanied SATB choir (and I still prefer it that way). The tenor part does not go very high, since the group I wrote it for had no real tenors. If you are interested, let me know and I will send you a copy. Dan Krunnfusz Artistic Director, Madison (WI) Boychoir dkrunnfusz(a)madison.k12.wi.us ***************************************************** The Storm is Passing Over - Barbara Baker - FABULOUS hillary.colton(a)hcrhs.hunterdon.k12.nj.us Hunterdon Central Regional High School ********************************************** Some of my favorites in the not-overly-difficult category: O Mary, Don't You Weep - arr. Albert McNeil Let Me Fly - arr. De Cormier Ain't Got Time to Die - Hall Johnson Soon-ah Will be Done - Dawson Ain'a that good news - Dawson There must be tons more - these leapt to mind. David Griggs-Janower Albany Pro Musica 228 Placid Drive Schenectady, NY 12303-5118 518/356-9155 SUNYA Music department fax: 518/442-4182 janower(a)csc.albany.edu ********************************************** Ev'ry Time I Feel the Spirit Were You There I use these from time to time with my church choir. Jonathan Veenker office/voice mail:612/638-6385 Associate Professor of Music fax: 612/638-6001 Bethel College e-mail: veejon(a)bethel.edu 3900 Bethel Drive St. Paul, MN 55112 ************************************************** You asked on Choralist for SATB spirituals that worked. You mentioned knowledge of Dawson and Hogan. But I just want to reinforce that the Dawson arrangements are timeless, and work well for choirs, especially "Every Time", "Ain't a that Good News", and "Soon Ah Well be Done". Consider Michael Larkin's arrangement of "Somebody's Knocking at Your Door". James.Green(a)mvs.udel.edu ************************************************** I wrote a new arrangement of "Steal Away" this last year which is SATB non-divisi, unaccompanied. It is available from Lux Nova Press. Cheers, * Mark Gresham mgresham(a)america.net * Composer http://www.america.net/~mgresham/comp/msg * Lux Nova Press http://www.america.net/~mgresham/publ/luxnova * My book CHORAL CONVERSATIONS is available from your favorite music retailer [.sig edited 10/06/97] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ********************************************************** Schirmer's has a "Yale Glee Club" series including a large number of spirituals arranged by Marshall Bartholomew and Fenno Heath in a variety of styles, mostly traditional four-part (for both SATB and TTBB), some with accompaniment and some without. I don't know how much of the series is still in print, but I saw the most recent compilation of Heath settings in the big San Francisco music store a few months ago, so it is certainly available. || Nathaniel Geoffrey Lew || Ph.D. Candidate in Music, University of California, Berkeley || Associate in Music/Choir Director, Montclair Presbyterian Church || Managing Editor, repercussions natlew(a)uclink.berkeley.edu ********************************************** Try Alice Parker's set from GIA By and By is a real good one there is a CD of about 14 total. Jay Hartzler Eastern Mennonite HS Harrisonburg, VA hartz(a)rica.net **************************************************** If you are aware of the "standards", then here are three that you may not be aware of. I will admit from the top that I have a vested interest in one of them: 1. "Go Tell It On The Mountain", arranged by Steve Barnett (Boosey & Hawkes: Philip Brunelle Series) has been very successful for me (in terms of royalties from sales). It can be performed a cappella, or with an optional string orchestra and percussion accompaniment available through B&H via rental. It was commissioned by Philip Brunelle and his Ensemble Singers and you can hear it (along with some other wonderful Christmas music on a CD that I produced for RCA/BMG entitled: "Welcome Christmas" . For that recording I did a revised accompaniment that used the instruments that we had available for that recording, but it will give you an idea of what the string accompaniment sounds like if you wish to use it. The following two arrangements (and she may have others published published or unpublished as well) are by my former wife, Carol Barnett, composer-in-residence with the Dale Warland Singers and were written for that group: 2. "Steal Away", Arranged by Carol Barnett (Plymouth Music: The Dale Warland Folk Series). 3. "Deep River", Arranged by Carol Barnett (Plymouth Music: The Dale Warland Folk Series). You can hear both of these arrangements on a Dale Warland Singers CD that I produced for the American Choral Catalog label entitled: "Blue Wheat". I hope that you check these arrangements out. I think that you and your singers will find them very rewarding and your audiences will as well. Best wishes, Steve Steve Barnett Composer/Arranger/Producer Barnett Music Productions BarMusProd(a)aol.com ********************************************** Ride the Chariot. SATB with alternating Male (Tenor) and Female (Soprano) soloists. Peter Wortman Organist Messiah's Congregation Brooklyn, NY HPWortman(a)aol.com ************************************************* Two of my choir's favorites are: Fare Ye Well by Undine Smith Moore and My Soul's Been Anchored in the Lord by Glenn Jones and my Favorite is In His Care-O by William Dawson Hope this helps, Will Nichols Alma College Choirs Alma, Michigan NICHOLS(a)alma.edu **************************************************** My students loved "Can't You Hear Those Freedom Bells Ringing" arr. Lena McLinn (?) pub. Kjos Music. Three verses, some divisi in the alto, neat techniques (verse 2 ATB make bell sounds, verse 3 everyone begins "Mmmmmm"). Jay Althouse has also written some nice original spirituals. However, the ones I'm familiar with are for Christmas (Star of Glory, Whisper, Whisper). Robert C. Fullerton The Master's School W. Simsbury, CT fllrtn(a)compsol.net **************************************************** Hogan's Elijah Rock was very successful for us this semester. We did find the ending unsatisfying, so we added an extra chorus Dr. Joel D. Knapp Director of Choral Activities Jacksonville State University Jacksonville, AL 36265 205-782-5544 jknapp(a)jsucc.jsu.edu ***************************************************** I teach choral music in a Fine Arts high school in Montgomery, Alabama. I saw your posting and thought I would respond. Have you ever done any of the Jester Hairston spirituals? They are really good. Back some years ago there was a TV show about a black church with the Deacon, played by the actor that was George Jefferson in the show "the Jeffersons", I can't remember his name. The daughter, Thelma was in love with the preacher. Then there was the elderly gentleman, Rollo. In real life Rollo is Jester Hairston. Some of Hairstons songs/arrangements are: Amen, Rolled the Stone Away, Were You There?, Never Said a Mumblin' Word. I think that you would like any of his arrangements. Hope this helps, Marie Burns Booker T. Washington Magnet high School RMB54(a)aol.com ******************************************************* Why don't you check with Dr. Hansonia Caldwell at Cal State University Dominguez Hills? -- Diane Trotter Dianetrotter(a)worldnet.att.net Win a free copy of SUBSTANCE (Of Things Hoped For) New Release by Pat Jackson on Faith & Grace Music http://www.byfaith.com/Patcd/index.htm http://www.byfaith.com *************************************************** If you wouldn't mind a little self-promotion, I have a piece published by MorningStar which seems to be popular -- and a little less thickly textured than Moses Hogan's stuff: "I'm So Glad" -- #MSM-50-8834 The rhythms are "authentic", the piano accompaniment is a scorcher and it's scored SATB with Mezzo solo. --Mike Hassell Hassell(a)worldnet.att.net ***************************************************** Here are four which I have used with my students. They have enjoyed them a great deal. All are SATB. All are a cappella Wondrous Love - a slow, passionate spiritual that starts with a solo and builds to a stunning climax. Not difficult to learn. Hallelujah(Been Down into the Sea) - a joyous, driving spiritual which requires a good soloist or two and has opportunity for some gospel improv if desired. Not difficult to learn. By 'n' By (When the Mornin' Comes) - a joyous, praise spiritual which builds to a Take Six-ish written jazz improvisation. Challenging but doable by a good choir. Carry Me - a composed spiritual which is somber and truly made my choir cry as they sang it last year. Not difficult. Solo optional. Each of these can be optained through brosscum publications. If interested, we will send a perusal copy and a performance tape. Greg A. Lapp brosscum publications Lappers2(a)aol.com (805)871-9041 ***************************************************** I peruse the Choralist as a staff member of Chorus America. I am a singer too and recall doing a set of five spirituals that were embedded in Michael Tippett's Child of our Time. His arrangements. "Steal Away" was my all time favorite in the bunch. Also "Nobody Knows the Trouble I Seen Lord", "Deep River". They would be a challenge and I do know that you can just buy the score of the spirituals without becoming married to the whole work. Don't know unfortunately who the publisher is. Yours sincerely, Karen Richter Member Services Director Chorus America 1811 Chestnut Street, Ste. 401 Philadelphia, PA 19103 chorusam(a)libertynet.org Phone 215-563-2430 Fax 215-563-2431 http://www.libertynet.org/~chorusam ****************************************************** I have an arrangement of the spiritual "Deep River" for SATB, which I've done with two of my choirs. They love to sing it and it goes over great with audiences. I'd be happy to send you a perusal copy, if you're interested. Karen P. Thomas Artistic Director and Conductor Seattle Pro Musica kpthomas1(a)aol.com ************************************************* I found Hill's arrangement of "Fix Me Jesus," published by Alliance, to be especially powerful. It has a long and chromatic TTBB section and we had some trouble with it, also needs a strong soprano soloist who holds her key, but you said you had capable singers (Mine are not all of them, alas) so it's worth consideration. R. John Specht * "Someday we'll find it-- Queensborough Chorus * The rainbow connection-- Bayside NY * The lover, the dreamer, and me. rjohn(a)cuny.campus.mci.net * rjsqb(a)cunyvm.cuny.edu * **************************************************** I have two Christmas spirituals you might want to try with your group. The first is called "For He Was Born", my original piece that is very upbeat, a cappella. The other is an arrangement I did of "I Wonder As I Wander", scored for SATB choir plus children. I'll put free copies of them in the mail today for you, and if you like them, you might also want to order a copy of "I Wonder As I Gaze at Starry Sky", which is another (slower tempo) spiritual I wrote, available through Theodore Presser Co. Good luck with your choir; sounds like a fun group to work with. Cheers! Ann Kapp Andersen (Fairbanks, Alaska) akmusic(a)juno.com ******************************************************* One of my favorites is Edwin Fissinger's arrangement of "Didn't My Lord Deliver Daniel?". SSAATTBB unaccompanied with mezzo-soprano solo. Karen Weaver, Director Good Company: A Vocal Ensemble Cleveland, Ohio d.stewart(a)popmail.csuohio.edu ********************************************************* My favorite is "Ain't got time to die" by Hall Johnson. I, too, have a group that loves spirituals and I would be very interested in the compilation you do. Thanks, Micki Gonzalez Central Presbyterian Church micki_gonzalez(a)mindspring.com or mickimg(a)aol.com ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^END OF COMPILATION^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 07:51:55 -0700 (MST) From: David Topping Subject: Spirituals Compilation (Note: this was sent to the wrong address, so I'm posting it on behalf of subscriber Terri Karlsson, I wrote last week asking for suggestions for spirituals for my choirs which are two very small ones but will be combined into about 22 voices but only about 5 men, at the opening Evening Prayer for the annual meeting of the Southern Virginia Diocesean Council. We are going to be doing "We Are Singing" which is arranged by Hopson and also Andre Thomas' "Keep Your Lamps" which are both very easy but very catchy. We are also closing with Gaelic Blessing which of course isn't spiritual, but my choirs love to do it acapella. Many thanks to all of you who sent suggestions, music, etc. I am certainly working on expanding our repertoire of spirituals now. I've ordered a bunch of them on approval. You folks are the best! Terri Karlsson Compilation of Spirituals: (HOPE I DIDN"T LEAVE ANYONE OUT) "We will Walk Through the Valley by Alice Parker (GIA) (two votes) "O Mary Don't you Weep arr. Albert McNeil "Spiritual Medley", "Wondrous Love", "Hallelujah" and "Carry Me", arr. Greg Lapp (THANKS GREG I GOT THEM IN THE MAIL) "In The Morning Give Me Jesus" (SAB) Arr. Ryan Neaveill Pub. by Hinshaw "Can't You Hear Those Freedom Bells Ringing" by Lena McLinn "Ain'a That Good News" by William Dawson '"My Lord What a Mornin" arr. Gerado Enrique Dirie "I'm a Rollin" arr. Gerado Enrique Dirie Collection of 56 Spirituals called "Look Away" pub. by World Around Songs, Inc. "I Know I Been Changed" by Roy Belfield, pub. Mark Foster Music Co. "My Lord, What a Mornin" arr. Dawson "Precious Lord", arr. Roy Ringwald "Give Me Jesus", arr. L. L. Fleming "I Believe This is Jesus" arr. Undine Smith Moore anything by Jester Hairston "Just a Closer Walk With Thee" by Red McCleod "I'm Gonna Sing" "Ain't Got Time to Die" "Hear me Redeemer" by Henry Mollicone "He's the Lily of the Valley" and "Seekin for a City" by Alice Parker "Keep Your Lamps" arr. Andre Thomas, pub. Hinshaw "Little Innocent Lamb" by Bartholomew, pub. Schirmer Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 12:50:00 -0500 (EST) From: Anna Rubin Subject: "underground railroad songs" (fwd) Dear Choralist, Several of you have expressed interest in Underground Railroad Songs. The following message from Ysaye Barnwell is the most complete answer I have received and I pass it on as an automatic compilation. Do check out her excellent web site. Several people also mentionned Thea Musgrave's opera on Harriet Tubman as a resource though I have no idea if there are extractable choruses which could be included in your repetoires. Best wishes and thanks to all of you who responded with your helpful suggestions. I hope more of these can be programmed. Best wishes, Anna Rubin ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 08:50:56 -0500 From: Ysaye M. Barnwell Subj: "underground railroad songs" Dear Ms. Rubin: I am responding to you request for information on "underground railroad songs". There is a large body of Spirituals that were sung (a) as encouragement for those who were deciding to leave, (b) that alerted people that a group would be leaving or (c) gave directions to those making the journey. Some examples are: Run Mourner, Run I'm on my way to Canan Land Steal Away to Jesus Wade In The Water I'm gonna sit at the Welcome Table Keep Your Lamps Trimmed and Burning Git on Board Lil Children Moses, Moses Don't let Pharoa O'ertake You I've Been In The Storm So Long I Am a Poor Pilgrim of Sorrow I am Bound for the Promised Land Walk Together Children, Don't you get Weary This May be the Last Time Free At Last, Free At Last Come and Go With Me To That Land Many Thousands Gone Run, Mary, Run All Night, All Night Angels Watchin Over Me Oh, Freedom Sheep Sheep Don't You Know the Road Follow the Drinking Gourd I don't know that you will find songs specifically chategorized as "underground railroad songs". If you do, please let me know. I believe it is more accurate to understand that there are a category of Spirituals that speak very clearly about this experience as about many of the other experiences and perceptions of African people who were enslaved here in the US Dr. Ysaye M. Barnwell Barnwell's Notes Publishing http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/ymbarnwell Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 10:50:21 -0400 From: "Betsy Burleigh" Subject: symphonic & gospel compilation Dear Choralist Original request: Does anyone know any works written specifically for a collaborative performance between a symphonic choir and a gospel choir? I'm ideally looking for a work that would enable both groups to somehow maintain their individual style and sound yet still come together in a musically meaningful way. No restrictions on size (small or large) of accompanying ensemble. Please respond to me and I will post a compilation. Thank you. Many thanks to everyone who contributed ideas! Betsy From: Rebecca Rottsolk The Northwest Girlchoir, Seattle Men's Chorus, Total Experience Gospel Choir and Urban Rhythms commissioned a 10 minute collaborative piece by Stephen Hatfield which we performed in 5 sold out SOULFULL concerts in Seattle at Meany Theatre in March. It was a huge success. The work is entitled "Out of Water, Into Air". It isn't yet published, but you could contact Stephen Hatfield if you are interested. hatfield(a)krdata.com Our performance utilized a men's choir of 200 voices, a girlchoir(ages 13-18) of 100 voices, and two 15-voice adult gospel choirs. We did other mass choir songs as well, arranged by one of the gospel choir directors, Kent Stevenson. Good luck. =================From: Judith_Zuckerman(a)pegasus.putney.com The closest thing I can think of, which admittedly is not specifically what you've asked for, is the Duke Ellington "Sacred Service". I haven't heard the piece myself, but I'm told it is wonderful. =================From: "Charles King" Check Michael Abels, "What a Mighty God We Serve," for just such forces as you ask about. As Gospel it really swings, and it is fully orchestrated. The Plymouth Music Series of Minnesota (Philip Brunelle, conductor) would be an excellent resource for you. Their annual February (Black history Month) concerts have a) uncovered, and b) commissioned many interesting works, culminating in a series of recordings, "Witness." Vol. 1 is gospels and spirituals, and includes "What a Mighty God We Serve." I will attempt to paste onto this note my last email from their office, for your follow-up. Dear Chuck King: Thanks for your interest....really it is probably much easier to mail order WITNESS from us than track down through your local record shop. Here's the deal: We have plenty of Witness I CDs in stock. Cost is $17 each, which includes postage, handling, and tax (not applicable here anyway). To order, call Gloria during the business day at 612/870-0943 (avoid Thursdays as she doesn't come in until about 3 p.m.). She accepts VISA, Mastercard, and American Express or can invoice you. If you prefer, send a check or write out the order and mail to: Gloria Freeman Plymouth Music Series 1900 Nicollet Avenue Minneapolis, MN 55403 Katryn Conlin Audience Development and Communications Associate ===========From: Shelley Huston The person to talk to about gospel music and orchestras is Isaiah Jackson, conductor of the Youngstown Symphony. He and others have a project going. Isaiah lives in Dayton and has email... Isaiah did some of their works at the Berkshire Choral Festival last summer and wowed everyone involved. ===================From: bob meyer All of the collections from the Brooklyn Tabernacle Choir (Carol Cymbala, dir.) (Word music ) are orchestrated. Very tasteful stuff. ============From: David Griggs-Janower Brand new work, commissioned by John Nelson's Soli Deo Gloria, called D'vorah for gospel chorus and full orchestra. Written by Paul Schoenfeld. Just recieved its US premiere in D.C., first weekend in April. More info from Soli Dei Gloria: sdg(a)mcs.com ===========From: Timothy A Mount TMOUNT(a)ccmail.sunysb.edu I highly recommend David Fanshawe's "African Sanctus" where such a combination would not only work but is preferred by the composer. I believe it is now handled by Hinshawe and there is a recording out by Silva Classics. It's scored for piano, 2 or more percussion, small rock band, electronic keyboard, and a tape recording of indigenous (sp?) music from Africa recorded by the composer. Fanshawe has written music which is performed with and around the tapes. I am deeply moved by this work and its "ecumenicalism." It is quite difficult in some spots but is very exciting and worth the effort. =============From: Steven Skinner You might want to contact John Walker at Shadyside Presbyterian Church in Pittsburgh, PA. When he was at the Riverside Church (NY, NY) he commissioned works for the church's chancel and gospel choirs. =============From: MLycanclef There is a work by William Grant Still for a white and a black choir--can't put my finger on the name right this minute, .... ===============From: Aharler: > We performed a very interesting piece by William Grant Still entitled "And > They Hung Him On A Tree". As you probably know, Still was a very important > American composer - his daughter is living in Texas and was a great help with > this project. The piece is for standard orchestra, a "white" chorus, a > "black" > chorus, and mezzo-soprano soloist. The white chorus represents the crowd at a > lynching scene and the black chorus enters to lament the hanged son/friend. > The mezzo (we used Marietta Simpson) is the mother of the victim. The > choruses > sing together in the final minutes of the piece. It is quite moving. . . ========From: DavidJBaar At the recent ACDA convention in Detroit, the Brazeal Dennard Chorale performed the work "I Will Lift Up Mine Eyes" by Adolphus Hailstrok, published by Presser. I think it may be a possibility for what you are looking for. It is a smaller major work with orchestra. ========== Betsy Burleigh Cleveland State University
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URGENT !! Hello everyone !! I am a choir director in France. I have a fabulous men's choir and am looking for an arrangement of Hal Johnson's AIN'T GOT TIME TO DIE for TTBB Do you have it or know where I can get it ? I love the Schirmer version (Ref N
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HI !! How do I know if I have received an answer to my question ?? Where do I look for reponses ?? Can anyone help ?? Thanks !! URGENT !! Hello everyone !! I am a choir director in France. I have a fabulous men's choir and am looking for an arrangement of Hal Johnson's AIN'T GOT TIME TO DIE for TTBB Do you have it or know where I can get it ? I love the Schirmer version (Ref N
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HELLO everyone !! I am SOOO overwhelmed by all the responses I received concerning the Ain't got time to die Men's chorus version... THANKS SO MUCH !! You are ALL incredible !! I just just finished an INCREDIBLE TOUR here in Europe with MIDWEST AMERCIAN HONOR CHOIR TOURS with a 180 voice choir !! ... singing in the most prestigious cathedrals throughout Europe... St. Paul's in London, Notre Dame of Paris, San Marco in Venise, Duomo in Verona, Dom in Salzburg, St. Stephens in Vienna, as well as cathedrals in Strasbourg, Mont St. Michel, Metz, St. Michaels in Munich... etc. etc. etc. !!! I can also set up UNFORGETTABLE TOURS TO EUROPE FOR YOU AND YOUR CHOIRS TOO... just contact me !! It will be a pleasure to create lasting memories for you and your singers !!! BUT I am actually looking for a fabulous MEN'S CHORUS OPENER for some very important concerts coming up... something like a POWERFUL vocal fanfare - stunning and putting these fabulous men's voices to their very best !! while nailing everyone to their seats in total extacy !! Know what I mean hehehe !! :-)))) Thanks for ANY ideas that you might have ! All the best to you all... you are precious !! Come to France and Europe sometime !!! Sincerely, Don GRIGG |
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