Conducting: Do Bifocal contacts work for conducting?Thank you so very much to all the wonderful people who wrote about the contact lens question (below) and for all the support. It has been very helpful. I've divided up the answers by category to get a better consensus. I will be trying these bifocal contacts, and hopefully soon. I hadn't elaborated on my history, but I did try the monovision idea - wearing only one contact, and letting the brain adjust. I guess my brain wasn't up to snuff! I just couldn't see enough detail to make it work. If the bifocal contacts don't work, I do think I'll get the bifocal glasses, with plain glass on top. James Jordan at Westminster Choir College first suggested using contacts to me instead of the "granny" glasses because it does look strained to the singers, and might cause a strained sound. Since the second comment of it looking intimidating, I decided I'd better try again. ORIGINAL QUESTION: Have any of you ever tried bifocal contacts for conducting? I understand there are weighted ones now, and wondered if they'd be any good for reading a score. I currently use glasses that are small enough to push down my nose a little, and look over the top to see the singers. Recently, though, someone told me that the way I look over the top of them is a little intimidating, which may be just right for my junior choir, but not always the best for adults! REPLIES: HAVE TRIED: FOR I just discovered these 2 years ago and I love them. Especially for a musician who has to see at so many different distances. Also the glasses don't get caught in your hair. Try them; it takes time to find the right presecription and there is compromise. For me, to be able to see to read, my distance vision is less satisfactory, so if I go to listen to a concert, I often go back to traditional bifocals. Joyce Keil A member of this list sent your email to me. I wear bifocal contact lenses. I am not a conductor, but a singer and a teacher. The bifocal lenses I have are fabulous, though they were hard to get fitted. My eye doctor didn't believe there were bifocal lenses that could work, but these do. They aren't weighted. They are concentric circles; the center is for distance and the outside ring is for close work. They are made by International Contact Lens on Saunders St. in Rego Park (Queens) New York, and he sends them all over the world. Your doctor would have to send him the prescription and eye measurements. If you want, I can send you his phone number, but you can probably get it from switchboard.com or anywho.com. -jackie jones Seeing the music seems to be more and more of a challenge as the years go by. Of course each of us certainly have somewhat different vision needs. My optometrist has been great to work with me on this probably more than most. Within the last year I have tried the Focus Progressive disposable contacts. They have worked so much better than anything else I have tried for the music reading problem. Everything up close is so clear now. For me the distance is off a bit, but that is a small issue compared with being able to see to read off the piano and music stand. Ask your optometrist about these. If they work for you as well as they have worked for me you will feel like a new person. Carrie Lynne Burke Sounds just right to me, my adults are worse than the kids! I got contacts several years ago to read scores while conducting. I am near-sighted. Can you get contacts and change the position of your stand? Carol G. Wooten I wear bifocal contacts, and they've been a real blessing for conducting. You really can see normally whether you're checking the score or looking at your singers, and there's no weird adjustment-of-focus feeling. (Mine are "Occasions" by Bausch & Lomb, in case that's useful.) My doctor warned me up front that the contacts are either great or not, and that there was no predicting which it would be, so I feel very fortunate. No more concerts with glasses sliding down my nose! Good luck, Ann Foster I wear bifocal contacts and have for several years. They are great if you're not too picky about seeing perfectly either far away or close up. They would probably be perfect for reading music on a stand--I have no trouble. The trouble is that you have to fudge a little on one end to get good sight at both ends. Try them at your optometrist's. He can give you both options (reading very clearly, or seeing far away very clearly), and you can see if you like them. They are a heck of a lot less trouble than glasses...but you have to give up some clarity sometimes. Good luck. Lynn Mitchell I use them. I wear one regular contact in my weak eye and a bifocal in my dominant eye. I can see just fine. Debbie Coleman I went in to bifocal contact lenses last September after being frustrated trying to read music to sing and basic reading in general. I haven't been doing any conducting since getting them, but I can tell you it has made a HUGE difference in being able to read at just about any distance (computer, reading, singing). The biggest problem I have now is night time vision and some distance ; I suspect that one lense is for seeing closer up and the other for seeing farther away. For me, reading glasses became totally useless in whatever I was doing. Check with your eye doctor -- it couldn't hurt to try them! --Laura Horwitz AGAINST You might ask your doctor about monovision which corrects both eyes separately -- one for far distance and one for near. I tried bifocal contacts briefly and found they really hampered reading ability in general and monovision is better for all-around "survival." Everyone is different, though. Good luck. I now mark my music more heavily, by the way, and also have begun memorizing more, something I should have done anyway! Hilary Apfelstadt I tried bifocal contacts but had no luck with them. However, I'd recommend getting regular bifocal eyeglasses. Since you are used to wearing glasses anyway, you can get bifocal eyeglasses that have your reading prescription in the bottom and just clear (what they call plano) lenses at the top. This way you will be looking through, not over, your glasses as you conduct. Many years ago I was an optician so I have some experience in this area. Good luck to you, Vickie Hellyer I haven't personally tried them. My vision isn't such that they will work with me. I use regular contacts which work well for distances. By that time I have learned the music well enough I don't need to rely on seeing it as much. Or, if I need to see the music that well, I have gone to the progressive bi-focal lenses (Vari-Lux). which allows me to work on the computer, see music on the stand or piano, and look up at the choir all at the same time. My wife has tried the bifocal contacts, but they didn't work for her. According to her optometrist, they only work on about 25% (maybe 30%) of the people who try them. IHS, John Elving MONOVISION: When I talked to my eye doctor about bifocal contacts, he advised me not to use them because of my astigmatisms - but they may be improved now, or you may not have that problem. However, what we decided I should do is I wear a contact in my left eye that enables me to look at the music and one in my right eye that helps me see the conductor. I know this might not work for everyone, but it is perfect for me. Kathy Boyce You didn't mention if you need vision correction for distance. If you don't then try what I have used successfully: mono vision contact lens (singular). Yes, you wear ONE lens and your eyes/brain adjust for both distance and reading. If you need long distance correction as well, there are contact lenses which are for reading/near sightedness around the perimeter, and distance in the center, avoiding the need for weighted lenses. Good luck! Richard Garrin Judy, I have had great success with monovision lenses. One eye for reading, one for long distance. They are a bit of a pain until you get used to them. But I hated the glasses slipping down my nose as I sweated when conducting. Not everyone is comfortable with this set up, but works for me. Good luck. Carroll (Remember when we thought only OLD people wore bifocals?! ) I only wear contacts and haven't owned a pair of glasses since I was 12 years old --- a long time ago. I opted for trying the fitting of one contact for one eye that takes care of seeing distance and the other eye for seeing close up. I've talked with many people---most for whom this works quite well. I personally have had no trouble. The brain is an amazing thing---after a day, I never even noticed one eye working harder at each individually assigned task. Talk with your eye doctor. Mary Beth Wallig I am not sure about the bifocals that you are referring to. But I have gotten just one bifocal from my doctor. One eye, which has the bifocal, can see the music. The other eye can see the singers. The brain apparently does the scrambling and deciding. I have to admit that the music can be a bit blurry at first, but it is great to not have to choose between seeing either the singers or the notes. I have found that, as a teacher of conducting, I can get a great deal more from a student's face if he/she is not wearing glasses. And I feel that, as a conductor, I have a wall in front of me when I wear glasses. Also, my posture becomes bad, because I have to look down in order to see properly through the glasses. With the contact, my posture is better, I can see better, and my singers get the full benefit of my eye-contact and facial expression. So...I highly recommend finding any way to get rid of the glasses! Lots of luck Nina Nash-Robertson I have not tried bifocal lenses, but I do wear one lens for reading and one for distance. These work great for me, much better than the bifocal glasses I wore before. My doctor said they don't work for everyone, but the people who have them love them and I certainly do. When they put them in your eyes, you will immediately know whether they work for you or not. You might try this if you haven't already. Cheryl Dupont I have worn "monovision" contact lenses for many years, and find them entirely satisfactory for all purposes, including conducting. If you can wear contacts, you may wish to investigate monovision; one eye is fitted for close-up, the other for distance, and the brain miraculously accomodates everything in-between. Good luck. Marilyn Jones GLASSES: As I have gotten less young, I have found blended glasses (mine are trifocal!) to work well. they take some getting used to, but it's amazing what an up-and-down range your can develop (I have to deal with organ music, stop jambs and choir members - all at different focal lengths). The accompanying problem, however, is that the right and left edges blur out, so that you have to turn your head frequently; i.e., you have to move your head to maintain focus on anything wider than a newspaper single column. I've heard that it's possible to combine contacts with glasses to overcome certain problems, but have not tried that. My eye guy seems to think that contacts won't solve my problem, which includes astigmatism. good luck, David McCormick I use bifocal glasses. I don't really need glasses to see far away, so the correction is minimal but it gives me the option of looking at the choir through the glasses and not over the frame. Raanan Shefa If you are using eyeglasses now, have you considered bifocals or progressive lenses for conducting? I need corrective lenses only for distance vision, so as a singer, I found that I couldn't read the score with my glasses on and couldn't see the conductor properly with them off. Before I got my progressive lenses, I could get by when the distance to the conductor was not terribly large, e.g., singing without orchestra or in standard formation behind an orchestra. But for a Mahler 8 where I could have been anywhere in the stage area, including in the first balcony almost directly to the side of the conductor and I don't know what, maybe 75 or 80 feet away, that simply wouldn't do. My optometrist very carefully considered all aspects of my needs, and gave me a prescription for corrective lenses that allowed me to read the score with glasses on and then to see at whatever distance I needed for following conductors. He even had sample scores to check whether the proposed prescription worked before ordering the lenses. I thought they were just wonderful, and I'm sure they were less expensive than contacts. For that Mahler, I wound up in a subsidiary choir of about 25 behind the cellos and under the first balcony overhang. I was VERY glad of those glasses! Good luck to you ...Sue Noble Judy: I found a need for glasses that would allow what you descibe. My solution was the graded lens which gradually goes from distance at the top of the lens to close-up at the bottom. This way I am always looking through the lens; however, it takes some getting used to as looking down as you walk which can be tricky, especially at first. It works great for score on stand up close/near to the distance of the last row of the choir two to four metres in the distance. Gary Fisher I don't wear contacts as I don't like to have anything in my eyes (a phobia ?). I understand that the weighted contacts are made for those people who have astigmatism (such as me) in order to keep the axis in the correct place. I have are 2 pairs of bi-focal glasses. One for everyday 'normal' use and the other for reading music. Although at my present age, I need correction for closeup and distance, years ago when I only needed them for closeup/reading my glasses were created like bi-focals except the 'top part' (for distance) was simply clear glass with no prescription so that I could wear a standard pair of glasses. I am an organist/choir director and the music rack is about an arm's length away and high. Well not real high ....but.... I wanted the lower 'reading' portion with the focal point at arms length and situated higher on the lens so that when I looked straight ahead, I would continue to see through the lower/reading portion of the glasses. This allows me to tilt my head upward only slightly to read the music. Otherwise, with a normal pair of bi-focals, I would have to tilt my head up considerably higher in order to use the lower/reading portion. I find them also very handy when working as a 'pit' musician. The 'line' that separates the lower and upper portion of the glasses is situated just slightly higher than half way up the glass. So in order for me to look out at a distance, I need to tilt my head slightly downward but not as much as if I had the glasses positioned lower on my nose. It took a bit of getting used to...but not too bad. I wouldn't have it any other way now. It took Lens Crafters 3 tries before they placed the reading portion of the prescription in the right place. They just didn't want to put them that high on the lens so I finally brought in a music stand and music right into their store and showed them what I had to deal with. Then they finally understood what it is that I wanted. I forgot what name they called the lenses but I think they called them executive'...referring to the placement of the reading portion being situated so high on the lens or perhaps for the focal point. I have a standard pair of bi-focals for non-music use (driving, reading, etc). If I ever forget them, and have to use my 'music' glasses to drive, walk, etc. I have to be careful especially when walking up/down stairs, driving, etc. The 'reading' portion can be disorienting. I tried progressive bi-focals as well but it wasn't possible for them do get the correct focus point when looking up. In other words...the 'progressiveness' gave me to many focus points. I know some people like the progressive lenses because they have no 'line' but I could care less if anyone sees that I'm wearing bi-focals. After all I'm the one who has to see what I'm doing rather than worry about what I look like to others! Ed Kolcz I don't use contacts, but I have glasses that are for distance at the top and middle distance (for conducting, playing the piano and working at the computer) at the bottom. They weren't easy to find - they are progressive lenses, high index, with the top set at distance and the middle and bottom set for middle-distance. I love them, and can see really well for conducting. Ieva Wool OTHER: Check with your doctor about the possibility of different correction for left and right eyes. My contacts are essentially bifocals done sideways. My left eye is primarily for reading, my right eye is primarily for distance. This has worked very well for me for several years now. when I take my lenses out and wear my glasses, they are standard up and down bifocals. It is really no problem to "shift gears" -- ## Dean Ekberg Judy L. 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