A new St. John PassionDate: March 20, 2009
Dear colleagues, With one week until my performance of Bach's St. John I should be sitting with my head in the score, but I have to respond to the thread I began a few weeks ago after reading a review of James MacMillan's new St. John Passion. I've read all the Choraltalk responses again and find myself disagreeing with some of what has been said. I have been thinking all too much about this! Apologies - this is very long. And I've gone back and forth about whether I should even send it. We all have biases, because we are who we are, so I'll start with disclosure, which you can easily skip! I was brought up Jewish, I was Bar Mitzvahed, and we celebrated Hanukkah and Passover. Somewhere in high school I "lost" religion and God, though my family still celebrates Hanukkah and Passover. (Since I married a Presbyterian, in a Presbyterian church, btw, we also celebrate Easter and Christmas, and since I like Guinness, I celebrate St. Patrick's Day.) From frosh year at college until my second child was born I spent 25 years in a Protestant church every Sunday, first singing, later conducting. The only god I believe in is Bach. Now you know my biases. In prep for this St. John and possible concerns about anti-Judaism (anti the Jewish religion, as opposed to anti-Semitism, anti the race), I've read much, including Marissen's book, which I highly recommend (though finally I disagree with some of his conclusions). I am prepared to accept the following as facts, in part in response to your emails: 1. John's original Greek work for the Jews more accurately translates as the Judeans. 2. John probably meant "Jewish authorities" when he said Jews. 3. Every New Testament in the world translates the words as "the Jews," from King James to RSV to Good News for Modern Man. 4. The "Jews," whatever that meant in the first century, as a whole were not responsible for the crucifixion. A small group of Jewish rulers were involved. It was the high priests, who, at best, wanted "one man to die for the people," so that the Romans wouldn't destroy the Jews, or at worst, as some of you have said, had a vested interest in maintaining their authority. (Maybe we should call them the "Junta"!) 5. The Romans were responsible for much of this, including the destruction of the Jewish Temple in 70 AD. 6. The Second Vatican Council did its best to remove the guilt from the Jews. 7. We should not blame Jews as a whole for any of this, either then or now. 8. Jews have been blamed for centuries anyway. As one of you said, "The story has certainly been manipulated in terrible ways against Jews." I also believe the following: 1. There is still anti-Semitism in the world (and much other prejudice). 2. The Second Vatican Council and all that popes have said since have not eradicated the stigma against the Jews as the killers of Christ. 3. Right or wrong, mistranslation or not, The Gospel of John has been used as an excuse for acts of violence against Jews for centuries. 4. A Jew (all right, at least this non-practicing, non-believing Jew) cannot hear the Gospel of John read and not feel like the Jews are being blamed, and not once, but over and over and over again. Bach and the St. John. I am completely persuaded by Marissen that in the libretto choices Bach made - chorales, chorale verses, and their placement; contemporary poems and their placement; word changes in Brockes' libretto - Bach turns the guilt away from the Jews and puts it on all of us, all being sinners, all with original sin, who are responsible for Jesus's death. Jesus had to die to save all of us, because we are all sinful. This fits with 17th -18th century Lutheran beliefs, and the libretto makes this clear. He probably wasn't trying to exculpate the Jews: Bach probably didn't know an actual Jew. He was trying to do what he always did, preach a musical sermon in line with his church's beliefs. But John is still quoted verbatim, in Luther's translation, in Bach, and John still mentions "the Jews" over 70 times, whereas in the other 3 Gospels "the Jews" are mentioned about 16 times, combined. It's hard to escape the hammering at "the Jews" in John and in Bach, and even though Bach ameliorates this, it's still there. It's nice to say, ah, but the Romans really did this. But in John and Bach, Pilate is not the bad guy. He says, "I find no fault in him at all, so you take him away and crucify him." He even offers to release him, but the "Jews" say no, release Barabbas. I don't see any Pilate guilt in John. And Bach, being the master at expressing text, makes the crowd's music pretty violent, aggressive, frenzied...pick a word. I've gone from facts to interpretation. I find this hammering uncomfortable. If John were a story or a poem, I would not read it on stage. Outside of a religious service, I think John would be unpalatable, whereas Matthew, Mark and Luke would not be. I would not say outright that John is anti-Judaic; I would say that the language of John may be understood that way, and has been understood that way for centuries. Violence against Jews in the middle ages often occurred immediately after services at which such a text was read. Pogroms were more frequent during Lent and on Easter than at any other time. Accusations of "Christ-killer" and other hideous things have been heard for centuries. And it was only recently that Passion Plays in Germany stopped featuring hideous Jews with large fake noses strapped around their heads and horns, for gosh sakes, on their heads! Recently! Since WWII. (In 1970 I was the first Jew one of my college roomies had ever met, and he said he half-expected I'd have horns. 1970.) So what do we do? Clearly, steps taken like those of Tom Hall in Baltimore are tremendously helpful, as is this discussion. We confront the issue with discussion and education. We look at Bach from a historical perspective: times were different, etc. In Champagne-Urbana a few years ago Chet Alwes instigated a series of radio programs dealing with the Gospels and Bach and specifically this question. But more and more I don't think that's enough, thogh we are doing a few things, including having Marissen come talk. I think we must change the text, heretical though it is to say that. I would not change a word of the German, but I would soften it in the printed translation. (I don't know what I'd do in a German-speaking country and thankfully I don't have to try to decide). We are doing it in English; I can't imagine that Bach could conceive of a performance (or service) where the audience didn't understand every word. So we have changed some words. Instead of "Jews, Jews, Jews" over and over, we sometimes say "crowd," and often "the people" ("Die Juden" and "The People" have the same number of syllables). Bottom line: Otherwise the text might be offensive. Let's make a comparison For those who find changing the text or translation unacceptable: We make this kind of accommodation to historically difficult texts all the time, or we choose not to do them. When was the last time anyone programmed Stephen Foster's lovely song "In the Evening by the Moonlight," which continues, "you can hear the darkies singing"? Who would NOT realize that this might be offensive? Who would perform a work that uses the word "niggers?" Some of us won't perform spirituals in Negro dialect. Some of you probably cringed at my use of these words just now. Would anyone perform a madrigal that talked about wife-beating, no matter how good the music is? Would anyone say, oh, that was then, this is now? Of course with Bach's St. John we aren't talking about a 2-minute madrigal, we are talking about one of the greatest works ever written, and a two-hour work. We can't not perform it, nor should we not perform it. We should make the same kind of accommodation we do with old racist texts. We don't show the wonderful artistic film The Birth of a Nation any longer because it's horribly racist; when did you last see it advertised at your local Regal Cinemas? But what about Shakespeare's The Merchant of Venice? Theaters often avoid this play because of Shylock and Jewish stereotyping. I would submit that the play, as difficult as it is, does not called Shylock a Christ-killer. Shylock is one (stereotypical) man, but the Gospel of John is about one entire people (even though it really isn't) committing deicide. MacMillan's St. John This, to me, is almost a different issue than Bach. (I will accept that the review I quoted might have been written by someone with an agenda.) Here we have a modern composer writing a concert piece, not an 18th century composer who might never even have heard the word anti-Semitic writing for a church service. We all seem to accept that Bach is a product of his time. Isn't MacMillan also? Does he not know that some people might find his choice of text offensive? Hateful? Does he not care? I think Ivry might be right: there is hatred here, in the choice of texts. We can't know whether MacMillan intended this or not, but we can know what it says to us. One of the choraltalk respondents discussed the Good Friday Reproaches that MacMillan interpolated into the Passion and says, but the Jews didn't do these things, the Romans did, so MacMillan can't be hateful toward the Jews. But look at these texts (no longer generally in use, btw): For you I scourged Egypt and its first born, but you gave me up to be scourged. I led you from Egypt, drowning Pharoah in the Red Sea, but you handed me over to the chief priests. I opened the sea before you, but you opened my side with a spear. In actuality the Roman soldiers opened Christ's side, but is there any doubt that this is an indictment of the Jews? Why would a composer in 2008 set such a text? And about the setting, Marissen says, after studying the work and hearing it: "As far as I can tell, whatever problems there are in the verbal text are not palliated by the (often ferocious) musical setting." Again, I ask, why set these hateful words? My longtime colleague John Howell, who was also my early-music mentor at IU, said, "You are certainly not suggesting censorship, I hope." I guess I feel the same way about MacMillan's work as I do about the preachers who came to Albany recently to demonstrate against homosexuality, calling it sinful and the devil's work: Let them come, and completely ignore them. Let MacMillan write what he wants, but I'm probably not buying this CD nor a ticket to hear a performance, and I hope the Boston Symphony will look more closely at the piece and decide that it's no more palatable than The Birth of a Nation or Stephen Foster's original lyrics. Don't we have enough hate in this world, without setting and performing these possibly hateful texts? David Griggs-Janower The opinions expressed her do not represent the views of Albany Pro Musica, who probably wish I would shut up. Albany Pro Musica PO Box 3850 Albany, NY 12203-0850 Ph (518)438-6548 www.albanypromusica.org http://blogs.timesunion.com/albanypromusica Music Department - PAC Univ. at Albany Albany NY 12222 UAlbany: www.albany.edu/~singers www.albany.edu/music/chorale Music Department fax: 518/442-4182 "Music washes away from the soul the dust of everyday life." Berthold Auerbach "Although nature has gifted us all with voices, correct singing is the result of art and study." Aristotle. "Why waste money on psychotherapy when you can just listen to the B Minor Mass?" Michael Torke
on March 22, 2009 4:41am
On Fri, 20 Mar 2009, John Howell wrote: WHY, to put it rather differently, is there such a wide and seemingly uncrossable gulf between actors and theater directors on the one hand, and singers and choral directors on the other?... John, I don't think you've quite hit the right point about all this, though I am amazed to hear you say there are conductors who won't conduct pieces that go against their personal beliefs. (Then I'd never conduct a sacred piece again!) I ALWAYS tell my students who have trouble with a particular text that they are like actors, and their job is to represent the composer and the poet, not themselves. If they play a witch or a murderer on stage, it doesn't make them a witch or a murderer. And most conductors I know do the same. Our job is to present great music, not our beliefs. But here with the St John we aren't talking about that. No one has a problem with the St. Matthew, or the Magnificat, do they? So it's not about believes, it's about this particular text and the use that it's been put to for centuries. I believe actors and directors would have trouble staging The Birth of a Nation, and many companies think twice before staging The Merchant of Venice. That's the comparison. David David Griggs-Janower janower(a)albany.edu 518/356-9155; 518/442-4167 (w) Albany Pro Musica PO Box 3850 Albany, NY 12203-0850 Ph: (518) 438-6548 www.albanypromusica.org http://blogs.timesunion.com/albanypromusica/ Music - PAC University at Albany Albany NY 12222 SUNYA Music department fax: 518/442-4182 UAlbany Chamber Singers: www.albany.edu/~singers UAlbany Chorale: www.albany.edu/music/chorale "Music washes away from the soul the dust of everyday life." Berthold Auerbach "Although nature has gifted us all with voices, correct singing is the result of art and study." Aristotle "Why waste money on psychotherapy when you can just listen to the B Minor Mass?" Michael Torke
on March 22, 2009 4:41am
Esteemed Colleagues - John Howell raises interesting questions (as usual). Let me relate an experience that applies: several years ago my university choir sang at a gala concert of high school choirs. After the concert, a father of one of the high school singers called me to say, "You shouldn't have sung that song." His concern was the medley from Porgy and Bess, during which we sang the words "...the things that you're liable to read in the Bible, it ain't necessarily so." His complaint was that youngsters should not have the truth of the Bible questioned. I asked if it mattered that the words came from the mouth of a character in an opera, and did not represent anyone's particular point of view. He replied no, it was wrong. I asked if his daughter participated in drama in high school, to which he replied, "Oh yes, she loves that." I asked is she ever performed on stage a character whose actions he would not approve of if she did them off-stage. He agreed. I replied, "Would this not be the same thing: words from a play? What was the difference?. His reply speaks volumes about the power of song: he said it's very different, because you sang the words. We ended unable to agree, agreeably. But it does indicate that for humanity over the ages, the word becomes sacred when sung. Substitute true for sacred, and you see the issue. While I think we must constantly walk a line between singing truthfully and singing "Truth," something greater than the sum of the parts occurs in our art. Since Truth varies widely among performers and listeners, we must maintain our awareness of the power and problems of words with music. Floyd Dr. Floyd Slotterback Professor of Music Northern Michigan University 1401 Presque Isle Marquette MI 49855 (906) 227-2308 fslotter(a)nmu.edu
on March 22, 2009 4:42am
> There are those on t In an overall excellent post, Jn Howell writes: > There are those on the Orchestralist who have argued vehemently that they COULD not and WOULD > not ask anyone to perform anything that conflicted with their personal beliefs, or that they would not > conduct anything that conflicted with their own personal beliefs, but that is EXACTLY what we expect > actors and dancers to do. Exactly. Imagine an actor saying "I refuse to play Iago, because I cannot approve of his actions, his motivations, or his character." You do not oversimplify in the least, John. Yours is a brilliantly apt point. Cheers, ~Karl PS/ Non-standard disclaimer: I have a personal interest in the question, having myself recently composed an unaccompanied setting of the Passion According to St John. Karl Henning, Ph.D. Composer & Clarinetist Woburn/Boston, Massachusetts E-mail: windsongXL(a)yahoo.com Worldwide Web: http://members.tripod.com/~Karl_P_Henning/ Blog: http://henningmusick.blogspot.com/ Maria Bablyak on the Web: http://www.geocities.com/maria_bablyak/ ===================== Blunt the sharpness;/Untangle the knots; Soften the glare;/Let your wheels move only along old ruts.
on March 22, 2009 4:43am
Thank you David (Griggs-Janower) and John (Howell) for their eloquent additions to this valuable discussion. John asks a question that points to a fundamental concern: "WHY does a singer NOT understand that she or he is a storyteller, an actor, a character in a drama, and that the words of that story and the words of that drama DO NOT represent the personal feelings or emotions or beliefs of the singer, and that singing those words and expressing those feelings and emotions does NOT imply a personal agreement and acceptance of the beliefs and prejudices behind them?" A few "perhapses" -- Perhaps the reason is that musical settings create a more visceral impact on both performers and audience than do words alone -- evidenced even by musical settings without words -- and that because of this heightened impact, the musical performer (especially singer) is less willing to risk or able to achieve complete identification. Perhaps part of the reason is that few singers (and few teachers) are able to get beyond purely technical demands to the point of total identification with all aspects of the music, and are therefore unable to disappear into the character. That kind of total commitment requires a strong inner- (or outer-) voice to counteract the constant chatter of each performer's constant companion -- an internal voice of inadequacy, or inflated self-importance, or both. Perhaps it is more difficult to sustain commitment to a text or idea that is reiterated multiple times, frequently fragmented, often to rhythms or melodic patterns that offer minimal support to the sustained idea, and sometimes over prolonged periods of time. In comparison, an actor delivering a monologue is a walk in the park. Perhaps part of the reason is that actors are often asked to "become" a character and perform within a suspension-of-disbelief context that is congruent with the reality of that character (think Keith Ledger); while singers are often asked to bring "themselves" (but in a somewhat sublimated way) into a performance that is rarely if ever congruent with the situation or circumstances of the composition, or of the circumstances that created it. The musical performers essentially mesh into one pre-defined character, expressing one overall point of view, even if there are specific movements or soloists that explore multiple aspects of that point of view. Perhaps there is a basic difference between ensemble work in dramatic and music performances. Although strong ensemble work is crucial to successful theater and usually receives painstaking attention in the rehearsal process, the actual ensemble effect accumulates right in front of the audience; whereas in musical performances (except perhaps opera and musical theater) the impact of the work is largely shaped by the advance preparation of the entire body of performers, and that impact is often attributed to the ethos of the work itself. The musical work and its performers are perceived as one entity, and that entity both defines and is defined by the perceived ethos of the experience. Perhaps there is a need to clarify where a given performance falls on the continuum of "recollection" versus "recreation" or "reinactment." In its Roman Catholic liturgical presentation, the scriptural text in question was intended to aid in "recollection" of the horrific events of the Passion of Christ, and not as license to "recreate" those events within the liturgy or anywhere else. (Similarly, the consecration at eucharistic liturgies recalls the offering of the body and blood of Christ, rather than attempting to recreate those actions.) That is a distinction which, unfortunately, was lost in many of the liturgical "enhancements" of the past few decades, and certainly exacerbated the action of the Church to reconsider these texts in the context of the Holy Week liturgies. Perhaps our culture has different expectations of dramatic and musical performances. Most dramatic or musical presentations offer some mix of inspiration, relaxation, enlightenment, comfort, and entertainment. Music in our culture is largely received and presented as entertainment, certainly with varying amounts of the other attributes, but rarely with the intent to challenge or provoke. Theater is more likely to include these two additional attributes, while the expectations of music audiences may not be open to challenge or controversy. Theater is often perceived as representing intellectual realities, rather than the emotional fantasies of music -- almost science versus art. Perhaps our responses to musical settings of certain texts is proscribed by our earlier associations of these texts with the strongly held beliefs of our parents or others who guided our development, as well as by the very human propensity to seek out artistic and intellectual expressions that support our beliefs, rather than leading us to consider conflicting points of view. Perhaps all of the performance options have their place: to perform controversial works without alteration; to perform those works without alteration - but with comprehensive efforts to present the context both to the performers and to the public; to NOT performer those works because of the potential problems; or to be more or less historically revisionist in making well-researched and carefully considered alterations. David's previous essay documents admirable adn exhaustive discernment of the pitfalls and possibilities, and represents an approach that justifies some small but significant alterations that he can commit to and defend historically, theologically, and practically. Others might take different roads to very different solutions. Amazingly, the work itself stands and is strengthened by every new observation and question. Early this morning I had the opportunity to watch a videotaped performance of Bach's complete "Passion According to St. John" performed by King's College conducted by Nicholas Cleobury. The level of performance was, of course, very high, and the camera work captured the expressions of the soloists and chorus throughout the work. There certainly was obvious involvement in the telling of the story, and the musical details clearly defined the narrative, violent, and reverent aspects of that story. But at no time was there any suggestion in the delivery or on the faces of the performers that this was a reenactment. The entire question reminds me of the conflicts of professional responsibility and personal ethics that face many members of the medical community. How do we position ourselves in response to the needs and rights of the public we all serve, while maintaining our personal integrity? Charles Q. Sullivan cqsmusic(a)hotmail.com Milwaukee, Wisconsin
on March 22, 2009 6:08pm
John Howell wrote: > WHY does an actor understand that he or she is a story-teller, that he or she is portraying a specific character, and that the beliefs, the prejudices, the very words in his or her mouth are the words of the character being portrayed, and DO NOT, EVER, represent that beliefs, the prejudices, or the words of the actor himself or herself? Because that IS how an actor approaches a part, and how we expect an actor to approach that part, and how a stage director approaches a script and expects his or her actors to approach that script. I basically agree, but there is also the question of context. There is a difference between eg performing a racist character in a show which is either non-racist or anti-racist in it's theme or viewpoint, and performing in a play which taken as a whole would be considered racist in theme or viewpoint. A professionally-minded actor will have no problem with the first situation, but may have considerable ethical difficulty with the second situation. (None of which is necessarily intended as comment on any of the musical works being discussed.) Simon Loveless simonloveless(a)yahoo.com.au Stay connected to the people that matter most with a smarter inbox. Take a look http://au.docs.yahoo.com/mail/smarterinbox
on March 23, 2009 4:16am
As a chorister and program annotator, I find this discussion both fascinating and very important. Another monkey wrench to add to the discussion: Many of our core sacred works were composed by people who were atheists or agnostics. Of course at one end of that continuum we have Bach, whose sincere faith, and its centrality to his life, is well known. For Bach, composition was an act of worship. At the other end of the continuum we have the many known atheists/agnostics who have composed compelling sacred music, including Vaughan Williams, Schubert, Verdi, Rachmaninoff, Brahms, to some degree Beethoven, and perhaps even Mozart. John Rutter, too. Many others... Perhaps for these composers, composition in sacred genres such as "mass" and "requiem" and "passion" may be more an act of musical expression than an expression of personal faith. I wouldn't be surprised if some composers (esp 18th-19th c) had composed masses or other 'sacred' works simply because they were among the major genres available for composition, and these works were expected by the public. Many sacred works were composed on commission, of course. How do we approach preparation and performance of sacred works by non-believing composers? The same as we do for sacred works of composers of faith: with sincerity and respect, and with the same commitment to the text that we would employ for any vocal work. I agree that we are actors, interpreters, presenters. We need not believe in the words in order to present a sympathetic and sincere performance. However, we must also have sincere respect for the words, and the beliefes they represent, and the people who believe in them. I do believe that for people of faith, attendance at a concert of sacred music can be an act of worship. Yesterday I was privileged to sing in an all-Bach performance by CONCORA, Connecticut Choral Artists. It was clear to me that many people in the audience were experiencing the music and words in a deeply profound and moving way - they were at worship. That was important, and it made a difference to my performance. I've written more about this topic here: http://quodlibet-sarah.blogspot.com/search/label/Religion Interestingly, in a recent interview, James MacMillan (a practicing Roman Catholic), whose work sparked this discussion, decries the general decline in faith and religion. Thank you for this interesting and thought-provoking discussion. Sarah Sarah Hager Johnston, BMus, MLS 860-676-2228 info - a t - grace-notes.com http://quodlibet-sarah.blogspot.com Grace Notes www.grace-notes.com Program annotations, research, and writing services for classical musical ensembles and the professionals who serve them
on March 24, 2009 6:59am
In a message dated 3/23/09 9:16:40 AM, info(a)GRACE-NOTES.COM writes: > For Bach, composition was an act of worship. > That's what I had been taught. Garrison Keillor's "Prairie Home Companion, which was broadcast in the DC area both last Saturday evening and Sunday morning, had a most interesting segment on JS Bach. His character, who spoke from heaven, maintained that he may have wasted his time writing all that sacred music for his church choir, which consisted of terrible singers. Bach (the character) regretted not having gone to England, where he would have made substantially more money, and could have better spent his time writing opera. (Handel wasn't mentioned.) There was much more to this most interesting presentation. I would like to have a copy of that segment, or at least the script of the show. I don't know where Keillor came up with this interpretation of Bach's life and attitude, but it actually seemed to be a far more realistic take on the story of a genius composer who was married twice, had 20 kids and depended upon that church job for sustenance. Fred Wygal fredw27at aol.com ************** A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1219858252x1201366219/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx% 3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID%3D62%26bcd%3DMarchfooterNO62)
on March 24, 2009 7:01am
It DOES need to be specified that There is a difference between an agnostic and an athiest. An Athiest believes that there is no God, an agnostic believe in a spiritual being, but not in any particular religion. Vaughan Williams had a tremendous turn out for sacred music, and in choral works like "Hodie" hand selected poetry of amazing beauty and reverence. It is possible that upon commission, and athiest COULD be asked to write a sacred work, and although he doesn't personally feel it, can still accurately express musically what their patrons believe and feel. Like a composer replicating hellfire in a setting of "Faust," they probably haven't felt it themselves, but can imagine it. AND if their disbelief results in a poor quality, emotionless piece of music, then we'll never be drawn to it, and it will probably not be performed. Apply this to our original discussion of Bach's "Passion." Perhaps he didn't personally feel this anti-semitic point of view, but felt it was necessary for the telling of this story. Perhaps not, we don't know. Carl J Ferrara Rb4uris(a)yahoo.com
on March 25, 2009 5:27am
At 11:44 AM -0400 3/23/09, Fred Wygal wrote: >In a message dated 3/23/09 9:16:40 AM, info(a)GRACE-NOTES.COM writes: > > >> For Bach, composition was an act of worship. >> >That's what I had been taught. That was, in fact, an article of "faith" on the part of the 19th century scholars who edited the Bach Gesellschaft. We now know that they got the chronology of his life and works all wrong, and at first the New Bach Chronology seemed to refute that interpretation, but I think the pendulum has swung back and it's currectly accepted that he was indeed strong in his faith, if not quite as fanatical as the 19th century thought. > >Garrison Keillor's "Prairie Home Companion, which was broadcast in the DC >area both last Saturday evening and Sunday morning, had a most interesting >segment on JS Bach. His character, who spoke >from heaven, maintained that he may >have wasted his time writing all that sacred music for his church choir, which >consisted of terrible singers. Bach (the character) regretted not having >gone to England, where he would have made substantially more money, and could >have better spent his time writing opera. (Handel wasn't mentioned.) I missed that, and hope to hear a rerun, but I do think it would be a mistake to take any humorist's take on history as actual history, much as I love Kiellor's work. His "Young Lutheran's Guide to the Orchesta" is VERY funny tongue-in-cheek humor, but it's still humor, as is the P.D.Q. Bach "A Bach Portrait." The best humor, after all, starts with something probably true and then exaggerates and embroiders it in the service of humor, not history. >but it actually seemed to be a far more realistic take on the story of a >genius composer who was married twice, had 20 >kids and depended upon that church >job for sustenance. A job which he saw as a step up from his position at Köthen, let's not forget, and which he augmented his income from in quite a variety of ways. Again, "A Bach Portrait" took off from his specific writings seeking additional compensations and exaggerated them, and the concept that his choirboys weren't very good comes straight from his memo to the Town Council in which he painted the worst possible picture in order to (a) retain more control over admissions to the Thomasschule and (b) ask for better financial support for his PROGRAM, not necessarily for himself. As to his wanting to write operas, he could have and he didn't. Q.E.D. John -- John R. Howell, Assoc. Prof. of Music Virginia Tech Department of Music College of Liberal Arts & Human Sciences Blacksburg, Virginia, U.S.A. 24061-0240 Vox (540) 231-8411 Fax (540) 231-5034 (mailto:John.Howell(a)vt.edu) http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/howell/howell.html "We never play anything the same way once." Shelly Manne's definition of jazz musicians.
on March 25, 2009 7:03am
Dear Fred, Garrison Keillor, who has been a favorite of mine for years, seems to be becoming more cynical by the month. I thought his radio show right before Christmas was downright depressing. I don't think he is in a good place. It's a funny take on Bach's outlook, I guess. I doubt it is based on anything but some writer's imagination, or Keillor's himself. You don't have to be terribly well acquainted with Bach's choral works, though, to know that he was a profoundly religious man. He was married twice - his first wife died young. He did have 20 children; 11 of them died in childhood. He lost both his own parents when he was a little boy. He survived unthinkable losses, and was able to write some of the most passionately hope-filled music ever written. He was not the same man as Handel by a long shot. Best, Judy Gary jsgsatb(a)gmail.com
on March 25, 2009 1:39pm
At 7:34 AM -0700 3/25/09, Judy Gary wrote: >Dear Fred, > >Garrison Keillor, who has been a favorite of mine for years, seems to be >becoming more cynical by the month. I thought his radio show right before >Christmas was downright depressing. I don't think he is in a good place. >It's a funny take on Bach's outlook, I guess. I doubt it is based on >anything but some writer's imagination, or Keillor's himself. You don't have >to be terribly well acquainted with Bach's choral works, though, to know >that he was a profoundly religious man. He was married twice - his first >wife died young. He did have 20 children; 11 of them died in childhood. He >lost both his own parents when he was a little boy. He survived unthinkable >losses, and was able to write some of the most passionately hope-filled >music ever written. He was not the same man as Handel by a long shot. > >Best, > >Judy Gary Hi, Judy, and I have to say that I agree with everything you say. But to defend Handel, he was a commercial musician who had to respond to the dictates of fashion and the preferences of the marketplace, which he did with great skill, creativity, and his own kind of genius, over and over again. Bach had the advantage (although he probably wouldn't have thought of it as such) of being in relatively local situations where his personal creativity could be expressed while also, ALWAYS, writing the music needed for his current employment. To put it another way, Bach worked with relatively small-town musicians (in Leipzig, although with some of the best at Köthen) and with young singers, and his music is a constant revelation of his concern with always teaching and demanding the best from his performers. Handel worked with first-rate professionals, both singers and instrumentalists, and knew he could leave matters of style in their capable hands. So his music LOOKS simpler, and SOUNDS simpler if it's simply sung or played without applying the creativity he could expect from his performers. In performance, I suspect that it would have sounded quite different! I heard this, up close and personal, when my older son visited as countertenor soloist for "Messiah." He has a beautiful voice and the technique and musicianship to ornament those solos very convincingly. The soprano soloist, very capable but very young, tried a little bit, and I give her full credit for the attempt. The tenor and bass just looked bewildered! The notes alone are beautiful, but they aren't enough to bring this music to life. John -- John R. Howell, Assoc. Prof. of Music Virginia Tech Department of Music College of Liberal Arts & Human Sciences Blacksburg, Virginia, U.S.A. 24061-0240 Vox (540) 231-8411 Fax (540) 231-5034 (mailto:John.Howell(a)vt.edu) http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/howell/howell.html "We never play anything the same way once." Shelly Manne's definition of jazz musicians.
on March 25, 2009 8:17pm
Thanks, Judy. One doesn't make it through conservatory (or "Music Appreciation" for that matter) without getting a review of Bach's personal history and musical output. Kiellor's take on the subject didn't follow those lines and I wondered if he had found a recent source with new evidence of the composer's life and attitudes. Apparently not. Fred Wygal fredw27ataol.com ************** Great Deals on Dell 15" Laptops - Starting at $479 (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220635228x1201407499/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fad.doub leclick.net%2Fclk%3B213153654%3B34689672%3Bo)
on March 26, 2009 4:51am
Bach Story Prairie Home Companion Saturday, March 21, 2009 http://prairiehome.publicradio.org/programs/2009/03/21/scripts/bach_story.shtml (And .mp3, too!) FYI, J. R. (Rick) Norton Baritone, Denver Gay Men's Chorus Baritone, Westminster Choir Montview Boulevard Presbyterian Church Preparer of Singers'/Music Notes Denver, Colorado JRNelist(a)aol.com
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>Dear colleagues,
>
>With one week until my performance of Bach's St. John I should be
>sitting with my head in the score,
>but I have to respond to the thread I began a few weeks ago after
>reading a review of James
>MacMillan's new St. John Passion. I've read all the Choraltalk
>responses again and find myself
>disagreeing with some of what has been said. I have been thinking
>all too much about this!
>Apologies - this is very long. And I've gone back and forth about
>whether I should even send it.
David: No apologies necessary. A very well-thought-out and
articulate reply indeed, to a very vexing and very complex question.
THANK you!
Without wanting to sidetrack this discussion, which is a rather
important one and which brings up questions we all have had to or all
will have to deal with, I'd like to ask a rather different question.
WHY SHOULD ANY OF US CARE?!!!
OK, now that I have your attention, let me explain.
WHY, to put it rather differently, is there such a wide and seemingly
uncrossable gulf between actors and theater directors on the one
hand, and singers and choral directors on the other? (And this is
actually a continuation of a discussion that started on the
OrchestraList, of all places, so instrumentalists are not immune to
it!)
WHY does an actor understand that he or she is a story-teller, that
he or she is portraying a specific character, and that the beliefs,
the prejudices, the very words in his or her mouth are the words of
the character being portrayed, and DO NOT, EVER, represent that
beliefs, the prejudices, or the words of the actor himself or
herself? Because that IS how an actor approaches a part, and how we
expect an actor to approach that part, and how a stage director
approaches a script and expects his or her actors to approach that
script.
Or, to turn the discussion back to where it belongs, WHY does a
singer NOT understand that she or he is a storyteller, an actor, a
character in a drama, and that the words of that story and the words
of that drama DO NOT represent the personal feelings or emotions or
beliefs of the singer, and that singing those words and expressing
those feelings and emotions does NOT imply a personal agreement and
acceptance of the beliefs and prejudices behind them?
Why are we not as smart and as open minded as actors? And as
conductors, why are we not as smart and as open-minded as theater
directors? What do they understand that we do not? Or is it they
who fail to understand something that we do?! After all, a
playwright may ask an actor to shed clothing in a scene, and a stage
director may insist on it, and if an actor accepts the part, that's
what he or she will do. (Thank goodness your average soprano will
NOT do so, although David may recall a certain gorgeous soprano at
I.U. who, in the words of Oscar Hammerstein Jr., "went about as fur
as she could go" in the role of Salome!!!)
Music, drama, and dance are all re-creative arts as well as creative
arts. They all exist in time, and they all have to be recreated anew
every time they are to be enjoyed once again. (And no, recordings
and motion pictures are entirely DIFFERENT arts, which once completed
do NOT require recreation.) Like David's performance of the Bach St.
John, which I am quite sure will be beautiful and inspiring and
exhilarating just as much as it was to that Leipzig congregation on
Good Friday 1724. (Or, dare I say it, perhaps even more so, after
maturing for two and a half centuries and successfully surviving the
transition from religious experience to concert presentation--perhaps
just a very different kind of spiritual experience!!!) That's
exactly why some of us are in the education business, because all the
recreative arts require a continuing supply of new, talented and
well-trained performers, and they all need to learn both technique
and how to find the depths of beauty and emotion in their arts and
bring them to life off the score, off the script, or out of the
choreography.
There are those on the Orchestralist who have argued vehemently that
they COULD not and WOULD not ask anyone to perform anything that
conflicted with their personal beliefs, or that they would not
conduct anything that conflicted with their own personal beliefs, but
that is EXACTLY what we expect actors and dancers to do. And of
course they also cite instrumentalists who refuse to play certain
pieces, just because of the titles and the connotations those titles
have for them, whether they make any sense or not.
Is it we musicians who are weird, or is it the actors and dancers,
who understand that their art and technique is something quite
separate from the characters they portray? After all, their bodies
are their instruments, just like singers. Or is it simply that of
necessity we have to deal with words, and find it impossible to tell
a story using those words when they happen to say something we aren't
comfortable with? When actors have no such problem?
Or do I oversimplify?
Boy, am I good at asking questions! I just wish I were better at
finding answers!!!
John
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John R. Howell, Assoc. Prof. of Music
Virginia Tech Department of Music
College of Liberal Arts & Human Sciences
Blacksburg, Virginia, U.S.A. 24061-0240
Vox (540) 231-8411 Fax (540) 231-5034
(mailto:John.Howell(a)vt.edu)
http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/howell/howell.html
"We never play anything the same way once." Shelly Manne's definition
of jazz musicians.