Can You Recommend a Loud Metronome for Rehearsal?Date: May 6, 2009
Hello ChoralNet,
The conductor of our 90-member community choir would like to use a metronome during rehearsal. We need one that is loud enough, easy for her to use, portable, maybe with a variety of tones or sounds to choose from. Any suggestions?
Thank you. Replies (13): Threaded | Chronological
Stacey Spears on May 6, 2009 5:24pm
I do not have a need for one in my teaching situation, but I attended a large high school and remember our director using something called "Dr. Beat". This was in the mid 1980's - it was a square brown box with an orange light that flashed.
on May 6, 2009 6:00pm
Check into the Dr. Beat. I'm not sure who makes it, but it is EXTREMELY loud, and if you need more sound there are jacks to run it through a sound system.
on May 6, 2009 7:48pm
TAMA Rhythm Watch RW105 (Google) It's usually referred to as a drummer's metronome, but it is also recommended by James Jordan in his Choral Rehearsal DVD.
on May 7, 2009 12:09am
You won't need an especially loud one if, when using it, the choir is instructed to sing at a quiet dynamic -- always a good idea as part of a rehearsal process, anyway -- in order to hear it, and if the metronome is used, properly, on the off-beats rather than on the beat where it merely encourages people to imitate it instead of helping to instill a musician's internal pulse. For this purpose any standard pocket electronic metronome should do; mine is a Seiko DM100, which is fine though it's click tone is not quite as ingratiating as my previous Korg that I loved until it lost its voice after about five years. Both have two different tones to set up a metric pattern.
Jerome Hoberman
Music Director/Conductor, The Hong Kong Bach Choir & Orchestra
Principal Conductor, Baguio Cathedral International Music Festival (Philippines)
on May 7, 2009 1:50am
A Digimet would be great in this situation. No amplifier is required. It can be placed at a stategic place in the middle or behind the ensemble if desired since it can be run with a remote control.
When working with children and youth I have also used an amplified drum beat from a small Casio or Yamaha keyboard or the drum beats available in a rather pricey Yamaha Clavinova. The clavinova did not require amplification. A basic 8 beat rock pattern works well with most music in 4/4 and the students really seem to enjoy it. There are also patterns that work for 3/4 and triple meters. The drum beat need not be very loud to be effective.
In a workshop I heard Weston Noble say that he used to have one of his tenors at Luther College keep the beat with a set of claves.
on May 7, 2009 1:27pm
Hi, Robert. Only one thing bothers me about your suggestion, although I'm sure it depends on exactly how you use it. Having directed excellent show ensembles for a good many years, I'm VERY aware that more often than not the singers automatically follow the drummer. But the point of using a metronome shouldn't be to provide a beat for them to follow, but to help them develop the inner rhythm that they need in order to keep time accurately WITHOUT a drummer.
I'm sure they just LOVE a rock beat, but it is teaching them what they should be learning?
John
on May 8, 2009 1:56am
Per John Howell
"I'm sure they just LOVE a rock beat, but it is teaching them what they should be learning?"
The "rock beat" doesn't teach the students. I do!!!! Exactly how much to use it and when depends on the needs of the ensemble.
I have found that my students do not really understand rubato or other variations in tempo until they can do a steady beat. I usually tell the students where the tempo is set and they start to get some sense of what the metronome markings on thier music mean. The overall sense of rhythmic ensemble is much improved.
The ability to stay with a drummer or click one of many skills that musicians need to have in their bag of tricks these days. Any learning tool can be used incorrectly and I suppose this is no different.
on May 8, 2009 2:11pm
Robert Reck wrote:
"The "rock beat" doesn't teach the students. I do!!!! Exactly how much to use it and when depends on the needs of the ensemble."
Which is exactly why I qualified my earlier post! It sounds as if your thinking is exactly what I would hope mine would be in the same situation.
But since this thread has veered toward the practical application of metronome use, could you tell us just how you do use it?
John
P.S. I write as someone who not only does not have perfect pitch, but does not have perfect rhythm either (pace Robert Shaw). I don't miss having pitch, since I've known too may people for whom it was actually a handicap, but I do wish I had a more accurate rhythmic sense, something essential to a good conductor.
on May 10, 2009 10:43pm
Per John Howell: "But since this thread has veered toward the practical application of metronome use, could you tell us just how you do use it?"
I could not outline all the different ways I use either a metronome or electronic drum pattern. In general, I use these sources of a steady beat to increase rhythmic awareness.
Working in a middle school, there are also issues of authority and credibility. If I complain, as a director, that the tempo is slowing down or speeding up (I hate the term "rushing", but that is another story) this analysis is not always accepted by the students. (Middle school students can question things as basic as the time, day, and datel...) The same can be said when I tell students, for instance, they are adding time when they breathe, or entering late on a pick-up note. After many years of using various postive and negative ways of demaning that students shape up rhythmically, I have found it is much more effective to use a metronome or drum beat to establish tempo. Students don't argue with the drum machine. The whole point is to help students develop thier own sense of time and rhythm.
Regarding the "rock" beat, a generic straight-eighth rock beat is very useful for music in 4/4 time. But I also use various other rock, latin, dance, and waltz patterns. Those who do jazz could use swing and shuffle beats as well.
After many years of doing this, I have an uncanny sense of tempo that I did not have when I was in college. I was watching my son march in a high school band rehearsal and one of the staff sat next to me. I commented that the tempo of a particular part of the show was faster than the Friday night run. He said, (and I forget the exact numbers, but the story is true) "It is supposed to be 152." I said, "It isn't. It is about 140." He had one of those metronomes that allow you to determine performance tempo by clicking a button, so he clicked in the tempo. He showed it to me and smiled. It said, "140" (or whatever number I actually said.). I am not always that spot on, but I am usually very close. Sometimes, just as an experiment, I turn the metronome or drum beat after I have already started a piece to see if I found the tempo. I don't miss unless I am having a really bad day. Some of my students who have had me for more than one year actually start asking questions if the rehearsal tempo is not the same as the metronome mark on their music.
I have no doubt that the drum maching or metronome could be over-done. I have seen teachers over-do excellent instructional concepts.
I think I have used enough of everyone's mail box space on this issue. I would be happy to answer any other queries privately if anyone is interested.
on October 6, 2009 11:00am
Yes!
I actually had to create a few LOUD click tracks for the bands I work with here in San Diego.
I sell them as a 181 mp3 file set on ebay. You can use them on an iPod and run them through a PA system or stereo. You could even just burn an mp3 cd with the appropriate tempos and play them in a boom box.
Go to ebay and search for "MP3 metronome."
MJ
on October 23, 2009 5:06pm
Dr Beat is definitely the best I've found. It is really fun if you have a sound system..... Plug the sound system into the headphone jack and you really get LOUD! My choirs hate it, but it works when they just won't stay together... Makes them want to work so I won't put it on....hehehehehehe
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