Overnight Travel With Children's Choir-HelpDate: September 23, 2009
The Gifford Children's Choir is performing at the WCDA convention in Eau Claire this January. I have never taken 8-11 year old kids on an overnight. My school district is considering canceling the trip due to concerns about supervision if we stay at a hotel. If 4-5 kids stay in a room and close the door, they could get into trouble. If a parent stays in the room there could be legal issues. I am considering a couple options:
1. Renting suites with two adults in one room and kids in the others with doors left open
-many parents want to get their own room with their kid and their kid's friends.
2. Renting a school and have kids sleep on the floor with sleeping bags.
- I am very concerned about the kids freezing as January in Wisconsin can get pretty cold.
3. Looking for a retreat center in the area
To make things stranger, I have over 80 members and around 50 adults want to chaperone. Racine is about 6 hours by coach bus from Eau Claire and I really want the kids to perform a couple of times along the way. Our district requires a federal background check of all volunteers and chaperones. We recently had a Kindergartner sexually abused at school in a bathroom by a local pervert so sensitivity is very high among parents and the district. Home stays are not an option.
Has anyone done this sort of thing with kids so young before or know of specific facilities between Mauston and Eau Claire? I would like some ammo when I go to meet my area superintendent.
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Kevin Fox on September 24, 2009 10:11am
Jack,
I've been on over 40 tours with boys choirs, and Pacific Boychoir currently does about 3 tours a year. We don't allow parents at all for various reasons, and our staff also has to do background checks. We often stay in hotels and the boys are in rooms of 4 with a room captain. We use a chaperone:chorister ratio of 1:6 or so for trips. Try to get the rooms together, or in clumps so one chaperone can be assigned to 2 rooms or so. The room captain gets one key, the chaperone another, door stays open at night until the chaperone closes it. No kids leave their room alone. Anybody who breaks the rules gets sent home. Strict, but necessary.
Just some ideas, let me know if you want/need more.
Kevin Fox
Artistic Director
Pacific Boychoir Academy
on September 26, 2009 7:55pm
I have used this company before:
They are a travel agency that deals specifically with school, church and college performing groups. For hotel stays, the hire bonded security guards. They also typically have one of their agents travel with the group specifically for dealing with the occasional issues that arise from traveling with a group. They also manage details - down to meal stops (beats the heck out of crushing a McD's with your group) or the number of subway tokens required to get from your hotel to Carnegie. Amazing attention to detail.
on September 29, 2009 9:05am
Hi, Jack. Just a few random thoughts.
My late wife regularly took her Choristers (youth choir from church, age range 8 or 9 up through high school) on a season-ending overnight trip to Colonial Williamsburg ... an Evensong at Bruton Parish Church and a day at Bush Gardens theme park. They tracked down either a scout camp, an FFA camp, or a similar camp with dormitory-type bunks and roughed it there. Cheap, and easier to keep security. Parents were chaperones, and families came in some cases with younger siblings. With a church group, no problem with parents and no criminal background checks!
And re. meal stops: with my college ensemble, we always made a point of stopping at corners where we knew in advance that there were at least 3 or 4 different and suitable restaurants, which not only spread the load among several places but allowed students choices. In your case, you'd have to narrow it down to one restaurant per chaperone, but the idea is worth considering. The timing of meal stops had to be set in advance, of course, and we always made a point of having snacks and soft drinks aboard the bus to cut down on time-consuming extra stops. The bus driver and I were always last through the line (and the driver often got a comp meal), and when we were done it was time for everyone to get back on the bus.
John
on October 16, 2009 11:52am
Thanks to you and those who responded. Looking for a scout camp or similar facility is a very good idea I hadn't considered. We are attempting to stay in a public school and all camp out in a room together. The hotel option made my school district uncomfortable. I got nervous as well because most of my parents wanted to rent their own rooms in the hotel and keep their own kids. I can supervise 80 kids easily but 80 adults is another story. Anyway thanks for taking time to answer my question. If anyone is traveling with a choir near SE Wisconsin look me up for support. We have a nice performing facility at our school.
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