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Dream Choir Risers for Flexible Venue

You have the pleasure of designing your dream risers for a 30 voice choir -plus chairs for seating. The room these risers are in is used as a church and as a concert venue and everything needs to be flexible, movable, adaptable and safe.

What would your dream be?

Mine: Small wooden platforms that jig-saw or latch together giving me three levels (including the floor) in a soft cemi-circle and wooden chairs with medium hard foam set and wood back.

There would be stoppers to keep the chairs from sliding off and out of place. There would be slim railings on the upper level for safety.

Attached to the back would be a wall to aid with acoustic projection.

Your turn.

N

Replies (5): Threaded | Chronological
on December 4, 2009 10:58am
Hi, Nete.
 
My "dream" would be to work in a space that is dedicated and not a CafeGymaToraNasium, but sometimes we don't get to choose.
 
The fancier you get, the heavier the units get.  I've played in dozens if not hundreds of all-purpose venues (including auditoriums, but more often public coliseums and hotel ballrooms), and staging is always done with heavy-duty, pre-fabricated staging units with folding legs of various lengths.  A standard size is 4' x 8', but they may also exist in 3' x 6' modules as well.  The 4' x 8' give you good seated risers, but you won't get good standing risers unless you use actual choral risers.  And you're not going to find units pre-cut with angled ends to give you your semi-circle.  Wooden platforms, especially custom-built and using off-the-shelf bracing hardware, are going to be very heavy.  (Folding choir risers are heavy and awkward enough, but at least they can be set up or taken down by 2 people and rolled by one.)
 
So your tradeoff is going to be between something easily moved (and easily stored, which also has to be planned for), and something custom made but awkward or impossible to move.  (I'm thinking about your attached back wall, unless you have a REALLY clever engineer handy to design it for you.)
 
I'd suggest starting with the Wenger website and catalog.  Their stuff is well made and durable, if awfully expensive.  And if nothing else, it will give you an idea of what is commercially available.  Same thing with chairs.  Their orchestral chairs come in 3 heights, which is awfully nice, and they even have cello chairs that tilt very slightly forward instead of tilting back, but I doubt that you'll find wooden chairs on the general market, and again they are heavy AND they'll have to be stored.
 
Wish lists are terrific!  But find yourself an engineer to consult with.
 
All the best,
 
John
 
 
on December 4, 2009 8:31pm

John: Dream on topic... risers. I am at the beginning of a very big project and I have the budget to get designers and engineers as needed.

So, I glean from your comments that weight is often an issue. We need light but stable safe materials to construct the risers.

I have done the research and have seen most commercail things that are out there. Nothing fits the bill.

It seems there is a gap in this market for some reason. Cost...? maybe... but lets dream.

N

on December 5, 2009 10:19am
Nate:  OK, that's a different story, then.  Weight is only an issue if you will be setting up and tearing down fairly often.  But your first post suggested that that would be the case.  And it's also a little difficult to picture a potential performance venue that will also be your rehearsal venue, but maybe that isn't what you meant.  And any time you have large set pieces that must be moved, they must also be stored, and planning for that is just as important as planning for their use when they are set up.
 
Yes, I'm sure there are lighter-weight materials and hardware available, just as there is hardware available that is professional-grade and almost indesrtuctable, but both are likely to be on the expensive side and not as readily available as plywood from Lowes.  And designers are supposed to know about such materials and how to obtain them.
 
Just to clarify, the rehearsal room I inherited when I arrived here was set up in an interesting way, and had been designed by my predecesor specifically for a show ensemble with a cast of about 24 and a showband of about 10.  High ceiling, and a fairly large room, maybe 30' x 40' (just guessing).  An L-shaped set of riser platforms had been installed along one short side and an equal distance up the adjacent long side, giving 3 levels plus the floor.  On the opposited short wall was a fixed mockup of our traveling stage set, designed for 12 mic positions suitable for 12 couples, and providing different levels for diferent staging possibilities.  (NOT choir risers, but fulfilling much the same purposes.)  In front of the set was a suspended hardwood dance floor of the minimum dimensions we needed, and over to the side of that dance floor was a wall of dance mirrors.
 
The risers had been covered with carpeting, such that I didn't realize for several years that they were actually constructed of standard 4' x 8' stage platforms.  They were very comfortable and practical for seated rehearsals, and when we needed to move to the stage set the set was there and waiting for us.  And for combined rehearsals the showband could set up on one end of the L-platforms, while in the central floor area was a very nice Steinway concert grand.
 
Such an installation was "permantent," but when we eventually moved out of that building could be easily removed and stripped down to the bare floor and walls.  That's obviously not what you need, but the more closely you can work with the "church" part of the projected use of the room to come up with a design that would work well for both uses and still not have to be torn down every week, the happier I would predict you would be.
 
It's interesting that you would mention stoppers for the back of the platforms, and a railing for safety.  Every time we designed a new stage set (and ours were always custom-designed and custom-built by our Technical Staff and incorporated controllable lighting effects as well as providing a solid performing set) I was worried about exactly the same things, and especially so in the rehearsal room on our practice set, but what we found was that the performers were not dummies, that they developed awfully good perception of their space on the set, and that they simply didn't trip or walk off the set!  The one thing that I eventually insisted on was topping the platforms with pieces of dance flooring, like the large rolls that we used on the front of our stages to cut down on accidents and injuries, and that topping not only gave a good grip for the dance shoes but cut down on the shoe noise on the set as well.
 
Yes, there's clearly a gap in the commercial market, and certainly cost is a factor, but what you're talking about is really a leap from commercial assembly-line design to custom design, which is always more expensive because it can't be sold in quantity.  We kept our expenses down by using student labor, supervised by a Technical Director who was on staff anyway, and it gave them ownership of what they had designed and built.
 
All the best, and have fun with your designing!!!
 
John
 
 
on December 5, 2009 6:10am
Hi Nate and John,
As the Fine Arts coordinator for my school district, I too am constantly on the lookout for equipment that will facilitate success and that will function in a variety of settings. Wenger equipment is outstanding, but expensive. Sicoinic has a fair line of product. Bertolini is a nightmare. Midwest Folding and National Seating also make risers, but again . . . the cost and possibly the quality may be issues.
I encourage you to think creatively. You might be the next creator of the next big thing in choral risers. Necessity is the mother of invention. Good luck.
on August 5, 2010 8:35pm
Nate,
 
   How far have you gotten in your quest?  I just came home from a choir tour with a well-developed hatred for squeaky concert risers.  While on tour I told myself that I would either try to find or develop a squeakless riser.  It can be done, I'm sure.  Are you aware of any that *don't* squeak?  
 
  During our practice periods, we just use a semi-circle of chairs.  We only tour - so the risers need to be versatile for different venues, (small churches and buildings) lightweight, squeakless, and good quality.  
 
  Cost, is, of course, a huge issue.  But if something like this were commercially available, I'm sure that it would be at least somewhat appealing to the larger organizations with larger budgets.
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