conductor's wearDate: August 26, 2010
Is there an online source where one might order conductor's clothing? Replies (8): Threaded | Chronological
Marie Grass Amenta on August 26, 2010 6:04pm
There are several online places for singer's wear, musician's wear........there was a posting here at ChoralNet about the "black clothing" website a while back I think---what's the name of it, can't find it amongst my bookmarks.
The men have it easy---and don't know it, either--a tux or evening jacket and they're done. Women--not so much! I have so many pairs of black pants, black skirts and a collection of black tops for any weather. I just bought a very nice, very formal wear-ish black vest I plan to wear with black pants and a feminine tux shirt for my November concert. I got it at the local, expensive boutique on sale and couldn't pass it up. I am not sure if it will move enough to conduct in, but it looks great.
Many women conductors struggle with what to wear and....I don't think there is really a standard "look".
Hope others have good ideas--I'm always looking for something "perfect" and haven't found it yet!
Marie
John Howell on August 27, 2010 9:12am
Hi, Marie. I hope my comment wasn't taken negatively. I agree that men have the advantage in that our forrmal wear is dictated by fashion--and by century-old fashion at that! But finding jackets that don't ride up with our arms raised is still a problem of good or bad tailoring. Women, at least, can manage to be COMFORTABLE!
And for the men, I really have to point out that if your body gets bigger and your tux doesn't, there comes a point where your "look" starts to get ridiculous and detract from your effectiveness, and it's time to pony up for a new tux from the tent-&-awning shop!! Nor are men's rear ends any more aesthetic than women's (by FAR!!!), which is why tail coats make sense. I truly believe that women are more self-aware about these things, and wouldn't allow the problems to develop in the first place.
But I learned long ago to stay out of discussions about women's fashions for performering groups. I either let them argue it out, or someone has to say "this is it; end of discussion"!
John
Marie Grass Amenta on August 28, 2010 8:50am
Oh John, I would never take this negatively! I would agree about "fit" but y'all at least know what to wear because of those long dictates of fashion. We don't have those long traditions, since we've been kept in the parlor having babies and in the schoolroom teaching and were not allowed to conduct.......oops, wrong discussion!
We've had this discussion on ChoralNet before (even between you and me!)--if I had time this morning I would look it up for Valerie.
The big problem for women is.......what to wear. I have yet to find a solution I can live with all the time. Our bodies change not only with age and childbearing (and when I carried a certain pianist/organist/harpsichordist, looked like I was pushing a basketball for six months and never could find anything to hide it except a church choir robe!)but current fashion can date us as well. Tuxes go out of style by cut, but skirts, pants and tops can go out of style not only by cut but by material and decoration. We won't talk about different shades of black here---we've both heard talk of that for years.
We ladies can be comfortable in our conducting wear but have to know that. I had many mistakes early in my career---what I could wear as a singer in a choir, not having to wave my arms would not work when I had to move, even if I wasn't moving a lot. It is a question of trail and error. I hope Linda does design a line of women's conducting wear. A woman conductor would know what we need and what is appropriate.
BTW John, Ben is giving an organ recital tomorrow and David S. sends his regards to you!
Marie
on August 26, 2010 6:26pm
Valerie: This might not matter for women, but for men I would hesitate to order on line. Many mass produced tuxes and tailcoats are not cut with sufficient freedom in the upper arms and shoulders, very necessary for a conductor. That's also true for many rental jackets, too.
John
on August 27, 2010 5:15am
I've always thought that when I retire, I would create a line of conducting wear for women of all sizes. It's been a dream that I hope I can pursue someday. I have several mid-thigh suit jackets that I pair with black slacks and a number of black or white tops. I always told my conducting students to cover their hips, no matter what size they were. The audience should not be focused on our backsides. Also to make sure you don't wear anything sparkly. The concert is about the choir not the conductor. Anything that would detract from the choir should not be worn. I recently purchased a long black sleeveless formal dress (a) Dillards and also found a flowing jacket that looks like it was made for the dress. I am excited about trying it out this fall. It's difficult to find appropriate wear for women. If I had time, I would sew my own. Good luck in your pursuit.
Linda
on August 27, 2010 7:50am
Linda,
I did the same thing--I have a black, short sleeved formal dress and just bought a flowing jacket for it at a boutique on vacation---it should be easy to conduct it. This is more summer-y so I will use it in the spring. The vest I bought does cover my rear, BTW.
I have a woman orchestra conductor friend who had the best looking top made for her to conduct in--and it covers her hips even though she is quite slim. It is made of heavy white brocade, has a military-type collar and black "frogs" down the front--she wore it with black pants. It looks wonderful---I'm not describing it correctly. Looks very formal and chic. I wasn't sure when she told me about it but when I saw her conduct in it, it looks wonderful. And with most of her orchestra in tuxes, she looked just a good as the fellas!
I sure hope you do start a women's conducting line. Make sure you also create a few maternity outfits as well. I wore ugly black tents with white blouses and looked like a cow!
Marie
on August 28, 2010 2:28pm
Valerie,
Don't forget that when piecing together an outfit, the blacks need to match. I was really not aware as a young conductor that black could come in so many differnet shades! Under stage lighting, you can see all the different variations and it can be jarring. If I am putting together separates onstage, I usually like to go with two different textures of fabric so that the differnt shades of black are not so apparent. At the Texas Choral Directors' annual summer convention several years ago, a humorous workshop called "What Not to Wear for the Female Choral Director" was presented and we are all still laughing about it. Oh, if only the MALE conductors had to worry about all the things we do! :-)
Mary Jane Phillips
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