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turot eszik a cigany

Having located a Hungarian language edition of Kodaly's piece (at last: after a year's searching, partly helped through Choral Net), I'm now faced with the prospect of getting French, Dutch and English speakers in our small choir to grapple with pronunciation.  They're very willing and we sing, for example, in French and English (but not yet Dutch), Spanish, German, Swedish and Polish and are about to tackle some Russian...
 
There was a brief note about Turot... on this site some time ago that, sadly, ended up nowhere; and a search of another site produced a fascinating but rather too dense discussion of the pronunciation of the letter 'e'.
 
So here goes: please can anyone supply me with a phonetic pronunciation guide; or even point me in a direction in which I might find help?
 
roly brown,
france
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on June 17, 2011 10:43am
Just Google "Hungarian language" and you'll find a list of sites which can help you.  For example, there's one called Omniglot, which also includes links to a number of other resources for Hungarian.  According to them, Hungarian is a heavily inflected language; a noun may have as many as 238 forms. (!)  Congratulations on taking on a project like this! 
on June 17, 2011 2:05pm
Except that one is not required to learn the Hungarian language - for which much thanks.  In fact, it's easy enough to pronounce if one take a simple approach.  Hungarian vowels are long and short
 
a = near enough the 'o' in hot.
á = near enough 'ah'
e = near enough 'e' in hell
é = near enough 'ay in hay'
i = 'i' in hit
í= 'ea'in heat or 'ee' in feet
o = near enough 'o' in hot'
ó = 'o' in mote
u = 'u' in put
ú = 'oo' in moot.
The umlaut vowels (two dots over) are also short and long.  O and U are the main ones.  In older texts the 'E' can also have an umlaut.  As far as I can tell it is something between Hungarian 'i' and 'e' or í' and 'é' depending on short or long.
 
Also watch out for consonants used differntly to English:
 
 
c = ts
ly = y (Kodály = Ko-die [ as in Engliish])
gy = something close to 'dj', or 'j' as in 'jam'.  E.g. Magyar = madjar or majar
ny = Spanish  'n' with the tilde (squiggly line overhead)
 
s = sh
 
sz = s
 
zs = 'j' as in French work 'jour', 'jamais'
 
Túrot eszik a cigány = (in English pronunciation) Too-rot ess-ik oh (short vowel) tsig-aan(nyeh)
 
It's far from perfect, but it will produce a reasonable imitation of hungarian sounds.
 
 
 
on June 18, 2011 6:41am
Bonjour Roland!
 
It might be easier to go to French sites that compare Hungarian vowels to French words, I think it will help you because the 'á' is like the a in garçon and the 'é' is like the French 'é' (no diphthong like in the word hay suggested above), the 'ü' is like the French 'u' as in 'mur', etc...  I would say that the 'a' without the accent is more like 'ah' (it's difficult to use the word 'hot' for any pronunciation guide as the vowel differs widely depending on whether you are from England, Chicago, Texas or New York...).  Here are two sites that compare Hungarian vowels to French vowels (and German ones when useful):
 
http://fr.wiktionary.org/wiki/Annexe:Prononciation/hongrois
 
Luckily, Hungarian is a very phonetic language: what you see is what you get.  So once you know the pronunciation rules, you're all set!
 
Túrót is a very delicious cheese that is sometimes compared to cottage cheese or curd cheese. In Hungary, they make nice sweets with túrót: túrót covered with chocolate, crepes with chocolate and túrót sauce.  It's very yummy, so no wonder the "gypsies eat túrót"!
 
Here are some túrót recipes for those interested in Hungarian dishes: Cheese filling (that can be poured on top of these - or any - crepes), Layered Corn Casserole, Cottage Cheese Pasta, and Curd Cheesecake.  
 
Bon appétit et bonne musique hongroise!
 
Lorraine
 
 

 

on June 28, 2011 3:02am
Just to say Thankyou to correpondents for their help.  We'll do our best.
 
roly brown,
france
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