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Gay Composers

Hello All,
I am trying to put together a concert themed on the works of gay and lesbian composers. I would also be willing to throw some pieces into my program that have gay themed subject matter. 
Please let me know if you have a good ideas. This is for my university choir. 
 
Thank you,
-Samuel Tolley 
Replies (49): Threaded | Chronological
on December 12, 2011 6:11am
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:SatyrTN/List_of_LGBT_composers
That might be of some help.
on December 12, 2011 8:32am
Here's a related ChoralNet resource.
on December 12, 2011 10:52am
Hi Sam,
I am a gay composer and you may find a list of my choral works on my website:  gregbartholomew.com.
I would be happy to send a pdf perusal copy of any score that interests you.
For works setting poems by gay poets, please consider my SATB setting of Walt Whitman's To a Locomotive in Winter, which was premiered by the Oregon Repertory Singers and subsequently performed by Seattle Pro Musica on their Best of the Northwest concert program.
on December 12, 2011 2:47pm
If there is a possibility of a solo performance you should consider the songs of Samual Barber.  And of course anything by Aaron Copland.
on December 13, 2011 5:14am
From the UK, anything from the vast output of Benjamin Britten would fit that description: plenty to choose from.
on December 13, 2011 7:16am
Hi Samuel,
Please take a look at my compositions at http://fleap.com/adcomps.html. I am a lesbian composer. I can send you preusal copies and/or mp3s for any works that look interesting to you. The Bear, for chorus, soprano, and piano, has lyrics by lebian poet Beatrix Gates. I also have a new setting of a Walt Whitman text from Song of Myself, "The Moth and the Fish Eggs."
Thanks for your consideration,
Anna Dembska
on December 13, 2011 8:20am
I am a gay composer also, and have various sacred and secular works.  You might be interested in "I Sought the Wood," text by lesbian Willa Cather (also from Nebraska, like me.)  I have set "Courage," a poem by Amelia Earhart (a capp.), "Always My Friend" by the late contemporary gay author Larry Ebmeier (in a quasi pop-folk style, accompanied), "The Firmament of Time" with text by Shelley and premiered by the Hastings College Choir; "Not in Vain the Distance Beacons" (acc., text by Tennyson); "Six Short Songs from the Southern Paiute" (SATB a capp.).  I also have several selections published by Yelton Rhodes (www.yrmusic.com). Contact me for copies pdf and sound files.
Donald Callen Freed
 
on December 13, 2011 5:09pm
I believe that Yelton Rhodes publishing has tons of gay themed choral music by gay composers.
Rick
on December 13, 2011 6:36pm
Samuel,
 
At http://www.vaiaata.com/choral.html there is a list of a few of my choral works - a reminder to myself to bring it more up to date! From mid next week I should be able to send you perusal scores and recordings.
 
Let me know if you are interested in seeing these,
 
Christopher Marshall
 
 
on January 13, 2012 9:48am
Aaron Copland, Leonard Bernstein, Arthur Sullivan, Benjamin Britten of course are the big names. Joan Szymko, Dean X. Johnson, Libby Larsen. Check out performances by gay and/or lesbian choirs throughout the U.S. and Canada - there's at least one in virtually every major city.
 
I should think it would be obvious why gay audiences would be eager to attend a conert of music by gay composers, but since it apparently isn't (at least to you), here are a number of reasons; 1) solidarity, 2) developing a sense of community, 3) curiosity as to whether a gay composer's identity/snsibililty is reflected in his/her work, 4) simple joy in hearing music that is often excluded from "straight" performances for being insufficiently "universal", or from simple bias, 5) eagerness to hear a different perspective, 6) pride and the desire to support the work of other gay musicians, 7) the social benefits of going to a concert where, for once, you are in the majority, and do not have to pretend that your mate is your business partner or cousin from out of town, etc. As to why straight people would want to attend, see 1, 3, 4, 5.
on December 14, 2011 10:17am
I hope you can forgive my potential ignorance here.  I simply don't know what it's like to be part of any minority group. 
 
I tell my colleagues that Social Studies teachers do not argue for their place in the public school system.  It is accepted that their place is significant and appropriate.  Music teachers always seem to want to argue that music is important.  Making that argument, in fact, calls to question our relevance.  If our subject were truly equal, we wouldn't have to argue its equality.  In doing so, we perpetuate its subservience. 
 
If I were to be asked to attend a concert of music of all gay composers, I would automatically think, “Is this music good enough to be part of a regular concert program, or was a special theme required for it to be performed?”  I have to think that isolating any group, however pure the intentions, works to perpetuate isolation of that group and attacks inclusivity. 
 
What is more important to the concert, that these people are gay, or that they are composers?
 
Respectfully,
Malcolm Gilbert
 
on December 14, 2011 2:58pm
Malcolm:  While I agree with you about inclusiveness, I don't really see any problem with a program that's themed or focused, as long as it doesn't betray any particular bias.  At one point back in the '70s our Pro Arte Ensemble at Indiana was doing a series of concerts titled "Music from the Court of [fill in the blank]," and they were so popular that we had to repeat each concert, so when we performed on the annual scholarship fun-filled concert we were introduced as playing "Music from the Court of Lucretia Borgia, which unfortunately can only be performed once"!
 
As to the place of music in the curriculum, we are actually NOT in a position of equality with other subjects as a matter of historical fact, and it's still an ongoing battle in some situations.  Both the philosophers of Classical Greece and their latter-day followers who set up the first medieval universities included "music" as a branch of the mathematical sciences in the Trivium, but that was "music" as an intellectual and mathematical pursuit, NOT practical music making, and actual music remained extracurricular in European universities and schools and in the American schools that copied them, in some cases well into the 20th century.  When the daughter of friends who was an organist arrived in Oxford to spend a year studying there, she asked about taking organ lessons, and was informed that no music lessons were given at the university, but that she should speak with organists in one of the churches about lessons.
 
In the case of this university, we had a series of Deans of Arts & Sciences who believed that any 18-year-old student should be able to start any major in the College at the age of 18 without any previous preparation, and it was a long fight just to get permission to have entrance auditions for prospective music majors.  And it's still considered a "exception" that has to be re-applied for and re-authorized every 5 years!  Never mind that music, dance, and the graphic and plastic arts really can NOT be learned from scratch starting at age 18; some people will simply never understand that simple fact.
 
All the best,
John
on December 14, 2011 4:06pm
Thank you Malcolm. This also goes for female composers. I really and truly do not want to have my pieces performed because I'm a woman. I want them performed because people like them. Period. My friend Hreiðar Ingi Þorsteinsson is gay and a composer, studied in Iceland, Finland and Latvia. I don't promote his pieces because he's a gay composer but because he's a good composer.
on December 14, 2011 11:12am
My website contains a list of my choral works:   http://karenpthomas.com
 
best wishes,
Karen Thomas
on December 15, 2011 5:50am
Considering specific works, you might choose Tchaikovsky's beautiful SATB piece The Legend, which tells a story of Christ as a child in his garden. (Also, I'm sure, available SSAA and TTBB.)
A very famous piece for sure, but also very powerful emotionally (whether or not one is religious!). Perhaps your group could sing it in the original Russian,
with English translation provided in the program. In the public domain, so many sources available. 
 
Your intent to organize a program of works by gay and lesbian composers is entirely laudable. An earlier reply by one Malcolm Gilbert strikes me as contrived,
rude, and stupid. Gay and lesbian people continue to strive for recognition by society as a whole, that they are no better or worse than the rest of humanity.
And this process of enlightenment is far from accomplished, hence Mr. Gilbert's artificial perspective. And hence the vitality and utility of your project. 
 
As I wrote you some days ago in a private letter, please have a look at my recent setting of A. E. Housman's eloquent late poem, "Because I Liked You Better."  TTBB about 2:45.
As a student at Oxford, Housman fell in love with a fellow student, Moses Jackson, who admired Housman greatly but could not share feelings of intimacy with him and therefore
broke off their friendship. Jackson subsequently married (without telling Housman) and moved to western Canada. And from that great distance he eventually resumed his
friendship with Housman (I do not know if they ever met again).  This late poem expresses Housman's sadness, but also his stoic acceptance of their separation.
 
Please have a look at all my choral works on my ChoralNet page.  Thanks, James Johnson
on December 15, 2011 6:32am
To Malcom and
 
on December 15, 2011 12:25pm
"Underperformed" ?!? Among composers who were/are gay: Tchaikovsky, Ravel, Schubert, Britten, Copland, Bernstein, Cole Porter, Stephen Sondheim, and on and on.
Mr. Tolley will have no problem finding enough choral masterpieces by gay composers. Indeed, his challenge is to come up with a short list from so vast a repertoire.  
 
It is very good, that this topic has already drawn over 800 viewers.  
on December 15, 2011 7:22am
Samuel,
 
What voices do you seek?  SATB, SSAA, TTBB?
 
Gregg
 
on December 16, 2011 5:21am
Although I have an opinion on the subject, I don't feel it is relevant. I just wanted to say that I am so proud of my colleagues on this site. It is uplifting to see such civil, intelligent discourse. The level of respect for one another's differences of opinion has brighten my day and renewed my view of parts of humanity! Have a great Christmas/Hannukah/Kwanzaa/Winter/Holiday/Any other seasonal celebration of which I am ignorant season!
on December 16, 2011 6:46am
I've been following this thread since it started and admit that I don't usually respond to these discussions.  I am not a gay composer, but a gay music director.  I have never done a program of all gay composers, but all of my concerts focus on a "theme" of some sort....Broadway, Multicultural, 1940's, Sea Theamed, Patriotic, etc, etc.  I don't pick BAD music just because it "fits" into the theme and I preview A LOT of music before making a final decision for inclusion in a program.  I'm sure there are some compositions by gay composers that are bad...just as there are bad compositions by ANY composer...but I think it's terrific to program a concert of music by gay composers and I'm sure Samuel will only select the best and most inspiring pieces for his university choir concert.  Samuel's concert will introduce his students and audiences to some fantastic new works as well as some familiar music that the "general public" might not have associated with gay composers and hopefully broaden people's views on this subject.
 
To Malcolm:  I feel truly sorry that you "just don't know what it feels like to be part of any minoriy group".  The world must be perfect where you live.
 
 
 
 
on December 16, 2011 5:38pm
There's something wrong with this picture, but I can't quite put my finger on it. It is perplexing.
 
It prompts me to ask two question, which I hope gay, not-gay, and anyone else on the gradient between them, will answer.
 
My questions:
Why would a person (or you) who is gay want to go to a concert with music composed only by gay composers? and
Why would a person (or you) who is not gay want to go to a concert with music composed only by gay composers?
 
I do not have answers to either question, especially the second, which I would perhaps be more qualified to answer.
 
On the other hand, I can give you personal reasons why I would be interested in going to a concert by black composers (I would be interested to discern what cultural influence there might be in their music- jazz, African, and so on), or by women composers (they are underperformed and I would like to hear more by women composers), and so on. But 'gay' composers? Is the music going to sound "gay"? Are they underperformed? Do I want to see Tchaikovsky's 'Nutcracker' because he was gay, or because I want to support gays? No!  Then why?... why?...
 
Please give me a good reason, your reason maybe, for either question. Thanks!
on December 16, 2011 6:40pm
Donald:  Seems to me that one point of a themed concert is to gather together music representing one--well, let's call it a "point of view" for want of a better term--in order to judge whether in fact there is anything distinctive about it aside from the distinctiveness of individual composers.  That seems to be the thrust of so-called queer musicology, although that didn't exist when I was in grad school.  But it's also the thrust of feminist studies and many other "viewpoint" studies.  And of course we make a point of talking about national and nationalistic schools of composition.
 
And while I have, as they say, no dog in this fight, and consider myself as open-minded as the average bear (now THERE'S mixed metaphors!!), I find it interesting that those who DO have a viewpoint seem quite ready to classify any composer who was not married--or even any who WERE married but apparently unhappily--as having been gay, with no apparent evidence.  (Not that the Liszt-Wagner-Busoni menage à 5 or 6 is any good argument for hetero relationships!!)  But this is simply not good scholarship, although it might be considered good advocacy.  Convincing arguments are seldom based on speculation.
 
All the best,
John
on December 17, 2011 9:40am
Donald asks interesting questions....which lead to others.  Can ANYONE tell me if there are any kind of aesthetic or other differences that would be discernible by the "average" lover of choral music, or actually any kind of music, between music composed by a L/G/B/T/Q person and a straight person?  Or music composed by a woman vs. a man?  Or between any two composers of profoundly different races/ethnicities who grew up and live(d) in the same general culture (country/region) and time?  Would these differences ONLY be reflected in the choice of text/lyrics?  Or are there other, perhaps more subtle, differences about other aspects of the music?  Donald asks:  Is the music going to sound "gay"?  Is it?  Does it?  Does a piece "sound" male or female?  And, further, does a listener's deeper knowledge of the personal characteristics of ANY composer then color that person's response to the music?
 
I admit I have never contemplated these questions before, and have simply enjoyed, or not enjoyed, a piece of music based on its own merits--with little attention paid to the personal characteristics of any composer.  But as an older (55) and newbie (began only two years ago) composer of choral music, this thread has piqued my interest in the broader questions.  There are clearly discernible differences between music composed by persons from very different cultural backgrounds and countries/geographic areas, and there are huge differences that simply reflect the time/era in which they live(d), but what about the gay/straight, male/female, and even young/old questions regarding any discernible differences in compositional style, output, acceptance, enjoyment? Eager to hear responses from those who can enlighten me.  
on December 18, 2011 5:23am
"Why would a person (or you) who is gay want to go to a concert with music composed only by gay composers?"
 
I remember going to such a concert ("Closet Classics", put on by the Melbourne quartet "Lieder of the Pack") when I was a young music student, and just coming out. I went because it was a history I knew next to nothing about - perhaps even a history that had been hidden from me. When you grow up in an environment where all your role models are heterosexual, when you have no contact with any kind of queer community, when the only models you have are the stereotypes and caricatures of the media, when you're led by your upbringing to believe that you are sick/evil/disordered - simply learning that there have been others like you all through the ages, and learning about their lives, can be an affirming, even empowering experience.
on December 18, 2011 11:38am
Hi Simon,

Thanks for your convincing and well expressed answer. It makes a lot of sense - to me at least - and is something I had not thought about. It led me to recall an event of far too many years ago when, as a music undergraduate, I went to a concert given by Benjamin Britten and Peter Pears. I had already been influenced greatly by Britten's music, analyzing and listening to as much of this great composer's music as I could. The concert was exquisite - I leaned on every note, every nuance - and I had an opportunity to meet with Britten following it. I could not have imagined a more affirming meeting. His gentlemanly manner and his willingness to talk at some length with a still wet-behind-the-ears music student dispelled permanently so many of the stereotypical notions that were floating around. I guess you and I had somewhat similar, positive concert experiences, though from different vantage points.

Donald

 
on December 17, 2011 6:37am
Have a look at the question entered on Dec. 15 about Samuel Barber's Hermit Songs. The writer states that one has been arranged for chorus. (Perhaps others?)
Barber, who was gay, certainly composed some beautiful music, much more than just his hugely famous Adagio for Strings. 
on December 17, 2011 8:16am
This thread has fascinated me for days now! Upon further thought, I'd like to edit my stance a bit.

I understand the point of a thematic concert program. The common thread is interesting. I'd listen to a dozen settings of the Gloria, to songs about roses, to 18th century Italians, and yes, to music with gay or lesbian themed text. I understand that these all have RELEVANT common threads.

However, if you tell me you have a program of composers who love plaid jackets or members of the same sex, I don't find either of those facts to be compelling nor relevant to the music.

on December 18, 2011 5:16am
Greetings!  I am a gay composer as well, and have many works for SATB choir, a few for TTBB and a few with piano.   These pieces range from overt love poetry in the text to a little less "in your face" as it were.  My works focus on same sex relationships, but one would not be able to precieve any difference between the the text I choose to work with, and any anthem used for Sunday worship.  It's all about the context the word "Him" is taken. 
One of my favorite lines: "All I want to do is sing his praises", fit's equally well in either sacred or secular relms.
If you would like, I can send you PFD scores to look over, should you still be looking for works.
 
 
 
 
 
on December 19, 2011 8:04am
Themed concerts do not imply that a special concert has to be mounted in order for the music to be performed.  Apply the same question to the music of immigrant composers, or music in the dorian mode.  If it is a concert of Italian Christmas music, would we assume that German was simply not good enough?  What can be learned by the fact that we jump to notions of "good or "bad" in some themes, but not others? 
 
One nice thing about a themed concert is that it gives the audience a new lens through which they can hear the music.  Barber does not need a gay-themed concert to be heard, but when placed in that theme, the audience is given the opportunity to think about what kind of poetry he chose, or the stories he decided to tell.  A large number of gay people make art, and that in itself is interesting and worth pondering.  Throughout Western history, homosexual expression, when not silenced, has often been forced to operate indirectly, in a sort of code.  This is another interesting thing worth contemplation.  We should not assume that all cultures naturally condemn homosexuality; rather we should try to discern what the musicians are trying to say within their own cultural framework.  This may reveal fascinating truths, or in may uncover nothing.  The point I’m trying to make is that providing interesting contexts for the audience makes for a different kind of concert experience. 
 
Samuel - look into Elegy for Matthew by David Conte. 
 
on December 19, 2011 10:30am
Excellent observations, Michael.  Thank you!
 
With my Early Music Ensemble I once did a program that included four settings of the Magnificat:  monophonic chant; Lassus; something in between; and Christian Bach.  There was plenty of MUSICAL variety in the program (and there were other pieces in the other half as well), but my singers got thoroughly tired of the Magnificat text, lovely as it is, and I had to be careful not to program another one until most of them had graduated!
 
Same thing with our Community String Orchestra.  We did an all-Mozart concert that was quite wonderful as far as the music went, but a number of our members felt rather "over-Mozarted" after that.
 
Variety is indeed the spice of life.  One very famous conductor likes to do programs like all the Bach motets.  An interesting theme, and significant to a musicologist, perhaps, but rather too focused for my taste.  (But don't forget, I spent 20 years in the entertainment world!)
 
All the best,
John
on December 19, 2011 11:42am
Michael and Simon,
Two very convincing arguments! 
 
Something might also be learned from the fact that when I emailed some of this thread to myself, my school district’s email system kicked it back for inappropriate content.  Apparently the word “gay” is inappropriate!  Now I know.
 
on December 19, 2011 11:44am
A few items have bothered me in this thread. I’d like to address them in my own natural verbose, contrived manner.
 
A few (too many) words about the "perfect world" in which I live:

The world I live in is different from my neighbors' because it's shaped by my own perspective, as unique as my fingerprint. In my world, each individual is different, but just slightly. When someone disagrees with me, they're probably wrong in my world. I can admit that. However, the disagreement doesn't make me angry. The discourse will either strengthen or re-shape my own feelings. My interest will have more to do with the level of the conversation than the level of agreement.

Here's the thing: if this straight choral director were to have a discussion with some random gay musical director on 35 random topics, we'd probably agree on some 32 of them. We are more same than different. We ALL are.

My "perfect world" has nothing to do with same or different. One of my best friends in the world happens to be attracted to buxom blondes. I happen to prefer petite brunettes. I'm not sure how much that makes us divergent. My "perfect world" is shaped through the fact that I control it through my own actions and my own reactions to the actions of others- which very rarely include anger.

I urge you to visit my world! Our art appeals to so many from so many different walks of life. Can we please use our platform to change the paradigm? We are same more than different. Make decisions based on the content of character and composition, not on race, creed, or bed partner.

I am a straight, middle-classed, white, divorced, slightly obsessive choral director. I am outspoken, irreverent and I work out too much. I teach white, middle-classed, suburban kids in a large public school on Long Island. If any of that information lends itself to any bias, you created that, not me. If that's the world you live in, I feel sorry for you. My world IS perfect. 
 
Finally, I believe strongly that racial equality will never be realized for as long as the great speeches and writings on the matter are done by black guys.  Until straight men start being the people to speak out most strongly against sexuality bias, it will live on. This is not the first, and won’t be the last time I get up on a soapbox.  To play off John’s remarks, don’t we all have a dog in this fight?
 
on January 14, 2012 10:03am
If you are bothered by people expressing their feelings about how the straight world oppresses people who don't fit into its pigeonholes, perhaps you should examine your own attitudes and not immediately pooh-pooh those who aren't blessed to have grown up in your perfect world of white, middle class, straight male privilege. Just saying
on December 19, 2011 8:51pm
​Our America  by Ben Allaway      Gay theme on patriotism (non-gay composer).  "Land of the free, but how brave we have to be..."  stirring traditional-sounding anthem on the difficulties gay and lesbian people have reconciling their love of country with how their country has treated them, very positive resolution.   Available TTBB, satb, 2-part.   Published by Santa Barbara Music Publishing.   Commissioned by Des Moines Gay Mens' Chorus.
 
Ben Allaway
Des Moines, IA
on December 20, 2011 5:29am
 I'm a little confused by the theme as well.  It's like asking for a list of brown-eyed baseball players or NFL players from east of the Mississippi.  While a sizable portion of the population doesn't qualify, the list of those who do is so long, it's not very distinctive.  Being homosexual and a musician isn't exactly ground-breaking so I don't quite get the point.
on December 21, 2011 11:23am
Hello, All,
  I've been fascinated by the 'on and on' of this discussion.  Discussions are always illuminationg, thought provoking and, in this instance, telling.
  Oh! That each of us lived in a perfect world.  
  The reality for me is that the world in which I live is, simply, what it is.  I try each day to make the best of it.
  How I define it and choose to respond to it is what will make the difference.  And it wil only make a difference.
  My response will NOT make my world perfect.  
  It still seems to me (after nearly seventy years of living on planet eearth) that it is only those who imagine themselves the  majority who'd have the gall to presume they understood how it is for me or anyone else.  
  Samuel, your raising this issue only highhlights the reality, for me, that attempting to address issues of race, heterosexism and other forms of covert discrimination (masquearading as liberalism) through intelligent discourse may be obscured by the notion of some that we're educated and, therefore, have an understanding that we are more the same than different, 'some of our best friends are'..., 'we've already done this', 'I'm not responsible for the sins of my 'fathers', etc.  
  The reality, for me, is that this discussion (supposedly addressing one issue) represents varieties of personal, political, ideological, religious and social conflicts in America (the land of the free and the home of...).  Former Secretary of State, Condoleeaaz Rice may be 'spot on' when she suggests that America was born with a defective gene.  Not getting the point is the point. 
  I'd like to know when and where this concert will be presented for I would do my best to be present to 'bear witness'.  It's how the elders in my town of birth (Norristown, Pennsylvania) supported when the majority imagined they'd successfully silenced their voices.  
Blessings,
Louise
on December 21, 2011 2:17pm
It's ironic, isn't it, that two powerful and thought-provoking "conversations" here on ChoralNet lately (this one, and the one about African-American Spirituals) are occurring during the holiday season, where most of us (ah, yet another difference!) celebrate with various versions of "peace on earth and good will" toward....well, everybody. But we all deserve to sit back and feel some measure of gratitude that each of us has tried to engage in the conversation in meaningful ways, even if we don't all completely understand each other or agree with each other. I'm just glad that I live in a time and place when and where such conversations can take place, and glad there is ChoralNet that can bring complete strangers together in this way, to discuss issues that underlie, for good or ill, all creative endeavors--even the creation and performance of music. Perhaps there is some hope for the human race, after all... 
on January 12, 2012 8:23pm
Thank you for putting this concert together.  When I was growing up, I recognized that when our conductors put togther a program of music by Black composers, they were showing respect for their contributions to the choral world, and giving us a chance to learn about the diversity of choral music written by Black composers (instead of just programming the same few spirituals at the end of every concert). 
 
If my conductors had put together a concert of music by gay composers, I imagine it would have made me feel validated in a deeply important way (if the music chosen was of good quality!).  It would have shown me that people in my community valued gay/lesbian contributions to society.  It would be fascinating to see how gays and lesbians choose to express their identity through their music, whether in subtle or overt ways, or not at all.   But I bet there's a lot of diversity within the repertoire that would be great to explore, especially since many people who are oppressed choose to find a voice in music. 
 
One of the most powerful ways we can show respect for someone else is to sing their music.  We show both our singers and community members that we value our gay and lesbian community members by acknowledging their contributions to the choral world.  For those of us who want to help gays and lesbians gain equal rights, this kind of concert can be a great way to show support.
on January 13, 2012 7:14am
Very good points, Mollie. Musical concerts are about 'community' as much as about music. And so I ask myself, what is music without 'community'? Music (as sound) simply does not exist without an observer, and so depends on 'community'. It is a two-way street; music serves 'community' and 'community' serves music. We can not isolate 'music' per se and put it in a little black box. It cries out for community. In our collective concert experience music binds us together. It reaffirms who we are, as individuals and as community. Thank you so much for pointing this out.
 
Question answered! Now I can see why I might want to go to a concert featuring gay, or Black, or any other group that has experienced prejudice.
 
What an opener to a fascinating string of heartfelt dialogue, Samuel. Bravo!
on January 18, 2012 6:04am
Samuel, I just found your notice today!   I am a lesbian composer who specializes in music for women's chorus , but I also have pieces for mixed chorus. Contact me at www.naomimusic.com I can send you a perusal copy of any of my works, or send you a playlist of what I have. 
 
Remember the ladies!
 
Regards,
 
Naomi Stephan
on January 19, 2012 11:47am
You may be interested in this presentation at the Eastern Division ACDA conference on 2/17.
Best Kept Secrets- Commission Gems from GALA Choruses.  Presented by Josesh Buches and John Quinlan.
on January 19, 2012 12:34pm
I will preface this reply with the fact that I didn't read ALL of the replys to this original post, only some at the beginning. However, I do feel that I would like to express my opinion on this subject.
 
As a music teacher, I choose music for my choirs based on the music, and the text. I do NOT choose music because it is by a gay composer. In fact, I will express my ignorance in the fact that I don't usually know if a composer is gay or not, nor do I care. If the piece of music speaks to me, and has educational value to my students, I will perform it. Not because the composer is straight or gay, but because the music has worth.
 
I personally would not go to a concert of all gay composers merely on principle. You may call me narrow minded or whatever you like, but as a Christian, and a teacher in a Christian school, I simply wouldn't go. Not because I wouldn't like the music, but because the person who programmed the music felt that I needed to know that it was all music by gay composers, and is using that as a platform for supporting gay rights. Again, this is my opinion. Many of you, I'm sure will disagree with me, and that's fine. I live in America where the freedom to choose is my right. I have the right not to believe that is acceptable, just as others have a right to believe it's okay. If you did a concert of all music of one composer, and that person just Happened to be gay, but you didn't tell me, then I might attend that concert, as it isn't a political statement being made.
 
My question would be how does programming an concert of all gay composers further the education of the students, even at the university level. Is the entire college gay? Will this offend some or many of your students  due to the subject matter? If the conductor is gay, is this just a way of making their own personal lifestyle choices known to others, and trying to make it acceptable to them? These are the questions I would ask.
 
I'm sure that I have probably alienated many who will read this, but this is a forum for our opinions, and this is mine.
 
Thanks,
Geneva Whitmire
on January 20, 2012 7:04am
Geneva,
 
Thank you for gently and respectfully expressing what I had been wishing I could put into words.
 
I believe in celebrating music. I believe in celebrating people (all of them). I don't believe in celebrating homosexuality.
 
That doesn't make me a homophobe, a bigot, a "hater," or any such thing. As a musician, I've spent my life around homosexuals, and I find them to be almost universally wonderful people. (There's this one guy, though... but I digress.) But that does not change what I believe about what is right and what is wrong.
 
It seems these sentiments are rarely heard, as the voices of Tolerance and Celebration are loud, and so too, admittedly, are the voices of Hate. But I don't think you and I, Geneva, are alone in our beliefs.
 
Jon Eiche
on January 21, 2012 3:47pm
Geneva,
 
Your points are well taken, but I suggest you owe it to yourself, and to those who take the time to read your response, to read everything others have taken the time, effort and compassion to write. As has been pointed out, this string has brought up a lot of ideas worth thinking about. (I, for one, have changed my mind on a key issue as a result of thinking about other's points of view) It more or less follows then, that people who come in towards the end of the 'class' will tend to make statements and ask questions that have already been made and asked. I'm sure you've been on the receiving end of that syndrome!
 
You've possibly alienated mostly those who, like me, realize you neglected to read a number of well reasoned 'arguments'. It's one thing to read them and disagree; it's totally something else to ignore them and 'disagree'... 
on January 20, 2012 4:46am
If you have not tried any works by Terry Schlenker, you should! He is one of the most talented composers alive. his website is (you guessedit) www.terryschlenker.com. There are some reall treats there for you.
 
on January 21, 2012 3:48pm
But is he gay???
on January 21, 2012 9:12pm
Samuel,
   I would bet you have gotten quite a few emails containing repertoire suggestions from composers following this post.  Would you please mention the Composers of Choral Music Community here on ChoralNet in your replies.  Composers and conductors are welcome.   I don't know if you thought you would receive such a diverse and thoughtful response when you posted this request, but it has certainly made for some interesting reading!
on January 22, 2012 7:49pm
Donald,
 
I did read all of the comments, and I still feel the way I do. I am not a hater of gay people, but I am tired of it be pushed on society. I agree, that many will probably be alienated, and that is their choice. It seems to me that everyoine wants us to be tolerant yet they are not tolerant when I wish to express my feelings on these subjects.
 
Again, I want to make it clear that I want to go to concerts because the music is quality, and well done. I try very hard not to offend others with my concert choices, and Idon't wish someone else's lifestyle preferences to be a part of a concert that I choose to go to. Again, my choice, and my opinion. I know that others feel that same way, and as one person stated, I was just bold enough to say so. I'm tired of tiptoeing around others because I have an opinion on this. As a Christian, this is my belief. If those who choose to be gay can be foreceful on their opinions, so can I.
 
I am sorry if this is offensive to some. That is not my intention. I appreciate this forum where we can speak our minds, and everyone's opinion is valued.
 
Geneva Whitmire
on January 23, 2012 7:18am
Given the high concentration of queers* in choral music, the fact that the very art form is born of the church, and the history of religious persecution against homosexuality, it seemed inevitable that we’d see a collision of values in this discussion.  C’est la vie.  And tempting as it is to pick up any of a number of threads dangling out there, I’ll focus on Samuel’s original post about programming a concert for his university choir using a theme of gay/lesbian composers.
 
Assuming that the concert is a university function, I wouldn’t worry about repelling a few who were put off by the gay theme; you’d attract just as many for the same reason.  And if it were truly a concern, the theme wouldn’t have to be advertised.
 
So that leaves me pondering the question of what is to be accomplished by programming a concert of music written by queers – for that would have some bearing on WHICH gay composers I would suggest.  Is there such a thing as a gay aesthetic that would be heard more effectively when framed in a concert with that as its unifying theme (kind of like all music by German composers or music written in the 19th century)?  Hmm…  That’d be a difficult case to make.  I’ll leave that for the attention of some courageous doctoral student who is willing to do some digging and persuasive conjecture.
 
A concert ‘by women composers’ would heighten awareness about an under-represented segment of society both in terms of output and recognition within the field of choral music.  The purpose here could be to inspire more women to become composers and for conductors of all flavors to expand their repertory to include previously overlooked treasures.  This might have some correspondence with the idea of a concert ‘by gay composers,’ but not much.  There’s a bounty of gay composers – especially American composers – certainly a higher percentage of gay to straight than Kinsey would have found in the general population.  IOW, queers don’t need encouragement to write or to be heard; we as a collective body have been quite prolific.  Furthermore, we can always hide in the closet.  You know…  the invisible minority.
 
Speaking of the invisible minority, this brings me to wonder who is most served by a concert written by queers, and that would be gay men and women, closeted and out, who sing and perhaps hear this music.  It speaks to them not because the music is inherently different from music written by people who do not identify as gay, but because it brings dignity to those that have historically been oppressed.  Call that political if you’d like, but for the young men and women who are just coming to terms with their gayness, a concert that holds queer musicians in a favorable light will be deeply inspiring.  They’re not thinking politically; they’re just grateful to be validated.  Even in this day of post “Will and Grace” and “Don’t Ask; Don’t Tell,” the cultural default is still to assume that everyone is straight (and it’s better to be straight than not) unless something interrupts that presumption.  For students who are not gay – even those who distain the life style – it’s healthy for them to witness this experience of affirmation, especially in the environment of a public university.
 
So…
I recommend focusing on really famous composers who happen to be gay, and preferably those who were out during their lifetime:  Aaron Copland, Benjamin Britten, Ned Rorem, Leonard Bernstein, Samuel Barber, Peter Tchaikovsky, (there are many more), and though the evidence is less conclusive, I’d include Schubert and Handel on that list.  The program might be more interesting to include specific pieces in which the composer’s sexual orientation fuels their passion for what’s expressed in the piece:  for instance Lou Harrison’s “When I Heard at the Close of the Day,” text by Walt Whitman.  The text for Benjamin Britten’s “Hymn to St. Cecilia” was written by his dear friend – a flamboyant queer – W. H. Auden.  There’s lots to that story.
 
Respectfully submitted…
 
David York
Portland, Oregon
 
*queer – my word choice because its capacity to include all sexual minority folk (lgbt).  By making it a part of everyday language we circumvent its power to be used as a weapon against the marginalized people it describes.
 
 
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