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Help requested for hymn tune

Hello.  I am researching the Welsh hymn tune, EIFIONYDD.  I can find lyrics for it easily (“Who Is This So Weak and Helpless”), and have found some helpful information at; however, I have only found one printable version of the score (Eifionydd.pdf at  

If you have access to a hymnal containing the tune for EIFIONYDD (not just lyrics), I would appreciate hearing from you.  Please respond below or contact me through ChoralNet.

Thank you!
Julie Myers
Replies (12): Threaded | Chronological
on January 9, 2012 10:40pm
on January 9, 2012 10:42pm
Thank you for replying, Allen.  That is the on-line version I found.  I would like to compare it to a "hard copy" in a hymnal.  I have looked through dozens of hymnals in several churches and a bookstore but haven't been able to find it. 
on January 9, 2012 11:25pm
Perhaps you found this on hymnary, but you need one of the hymnals listed here:
on January 9, 2012 11:29pm
Try this link for a score. You might need the Sibelius Scorch plugin
on January 10, 2012 12:05am
Thank you, Jon!  Somehow I missed the Media and Instances buttons.  I was able to view the "Song of Jonah" score after I downloaded the plugin.  I'm not sure why they "copyrighted" the page...since the music looks the same as the file from hymntime, except the key is changed.  Maybe they are referring to the text at the bottom of the page, since there are no lyrics?  Curious.
on January 9, 2012 11:38pm
You also might contact your local Welsh Society. There is a Welsh Hymnal which I am almost positive contains Eifionydd. They are probably easily found online. 
Sincerely Marilyn Parry
on January 10, 2012 12:17am
Thanks, Marilyn.  I actually did visit a Welsh church, but unfortunately, the hymnals they used did not contain the song.  And someone there thought that the older hymnals only had texts, not tunes.  But you're right, maybe something is available on-line.
on January 10, 2012 12:42am
Melody note - Mistake or alternate?
Okay, so the "Song of Jonah" score has an F natural in G minor (sol) in measure 14, second beat, but the "Eifionydd" file that Allen linked to above has a G# (si) in A minor at the same place. 
Anyone know if one is an error? (This is why I'm hoping to find a "hard copy"...)
on January 11, 2012 6:21pm
I enjoyed researching this. On Spotify I found three versions.
Here is one with the Scotch Title>>
One of the versions is part of a compilation recording of "The Complete English Hymnal #13" by The Choir of Sheffield Cathedral. Spotify link here>>
As far as your Song of Jonah question... All of the recordings I heard have the harmonic (#) 7th. So the (si) F should be a sharp in measure 14. This recording matches the a minor link you found but is in g minor>>>
I'm a bit rusty, I believe it's primarily the Lydian Mode.  Hope this helps!
Jerry Maday
on January 12, 2012 12:11am
Thank you for the links and information, Jerry!  :-)
on January 12, 2012 12:15am
Mystery solved!

I would like to thank the ChoralNet community for their public and private replies to my post.  I am very appreciative to hear of how people have gone out of their way to try to help me in my search.  I have received a scanned page of EIFIONYDD from the Welsh hymnal Y CANIEDYDD, published in 1960.  The arrangement is in 4/2 but appears to have the same melody line as the 4/4 version Allen referenced above (with an addition of a passing tone between high C and E in measure 11.)

I loved this hymn tune as soon as I heard it, but was surprised to find how obscure it seems to have become, especially since (according to the Psalter Hymnal Handbook quote on “Joseph Parry judged EIFIONYDD the best hymn tune by a Welsh composer.”  

I have received the answer that I needed, but if anyone comes across other information, I would be interested to hear it.  If the reason for my research pans out, I will plan to post an announcement here or as a ChoralNet announcement.

Diolch yn fawr!  (Thank you!)    
on July 8, 2014 5:56pm
Hello again!  After about two and a half years of "behind the scenes" activity, the outcome and update for this project may be found at the link below! 
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